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mwhite49 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1600 Location: Camarillo California Joined: Nov 14^th, 2007	Re: Heavy Stuff (artillery) Reply #30 - Apr 10^th, 2011 at 2:03am	Print Post
	Old bombs and torpedoes would be the ticket for the terorits to get thier hand on, hope the folks with the maps watch who they give them too. Or maybe that would be a nice demise for some of those suckers. Mike


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Singleshotlover Ex Member	Re: Heavy Stuff (artillery) Reply #31 - Apr 11^th, 2011 at 11:53pm	Print Post
	While not an expert on old bombs and torpedoes,I would think that anyone foolish enough to try and salvage them would be nuts. Whatever explosive that would be in them if still watertight probably would be very unstable from all that time underwater. All it takes would be one to go boom and that all she wrote. Frank


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mwhite49 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1600 Location: Camarillo California Joined: Nov 14^th, 2007	Re: Heavy Stuff (artillery) Reply #32 - Apr 12^th, 2011 at 12:21am	Print Post
	I had the honor of seeing some old munitions go off on Guam years ago while a backhoe was digging a new ditch, big boom, lost of stuff flying through the air, and the operator thank god was not injured, just shook up silly. We also had a crew operating dozers hit some and kaboooom again. Same thing, no injury at all. But even that said there have been reports of wackos using old munitions for road side bombs for years in the desert regions, old howitzer HE round were what they prefered. But the point is folks still do stupid things. And then there are our fine feathered government agents who declare an area clear, as in free of all explosives, then years later down the road they build a subdivision on top of the stuff. That took place in Sacremento Ca, during the Viet Nam war some protesters blew up an train hauling bombs, real big damned boom, actualy more than one as they cooked off. It was mostly on rail road property and the right of way, but after clearing a subdivision was built and when digging to plant trees or yard items some more were salvaged. So when some gov nut declares it safe take it with a big grain of salt. Mike


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John in PA Oldtimer Offline Posts: 590 Location: Hollidaysburg, PA Joined: Nov 3^rd, 2009	Re: Heavy Stuff (artillery) Reply #33 - Apr 13^th, 2011 at 7:47am	Print Post
	On the other hand, relic Civil War ordnance is quite safe to handle other than placing it in a fire. Yet it generates ridiculous responses from law enforcement and bomb squads when someone turns one up and calls 911 because they found a "bomb". their response is almost always to call out the bomb squad, who contain it and blow it up, thus destroying a valuable piece of history. Civil War ordnance can be quite safely DEWATTed by those knowing the proper safe procedures. If an expert is consulted who can accurately identify the shell and fuze type before moving the item, then it can be turned over to a pro who has the proper underwater remote drilling set-up to deactivate the shell if this is desired. (I mentioned "fuze type" because there is one very rare fuze, the Tice Concussion Fuze, which is potentially dangerous to handle. It's the only one, and quite rare, but worth checking with an expert before fiddling with. Mostly used in 100-pounder Parrott shells in Charleston, SC, but a couple have been found in 12-pounder (Napoleon) round shells, too

	John Wells Hollidaysburg, PA Peabody and Peabody-Martini's Wanted!
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QuestionableMaynard8130 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4144 Location: Benton Harbor MI Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: Heavy Stuff (artillery) Reply #34 - Apr 19^th, 2011 at 8:49am	Print Post
	North of Madison IN there was/is a large ammo testing range ( Jefferson Proving Ground) 'bout 20 miles or so west of Friendship. must be a good 20-30 miles long and half a dozen wide. It was connected with the big ammo plants along the OH river just south of there. It was still in use in the 80's. I had a friend who worked in a personnel office there. It has been closed and the land on the south end is split off, non-impact, base, and housing/admn zones redeveloped. Part is a hunting/wild life area but a big chunk of the north end where the heavy impact zone was located is still closed and is active use for various Air Guard units to use as target zones

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condorsc Full Member Offline NRA Life/Benefactor, ASSRA, SCV Life Posts: 210 Location: Beaufort, S.C. Joined: Nov 13^th, 2021	Re: Heavy Stuff (artillery) Reply #35 - Apr 26^th, 2022 at 10:15pm	Print Post
	John in PA wrote on Apr 13^th, 2011 at 7:47am: On the other hand, relic Civil War ordnance is quite safe to handle other than placing it in a fire. Yet it generates ridiculous responses from law enforcement and bomb squads when someone turns one up and calls 911 because they found a "bomb". their response is almost always to call out the bomb squad, who contain it and blow it up, thus destroying a valuable piece of history. Civil War ordnance can be quite safely DEWATTed by those knowing the proper safe procedures. If an expert is consulted who can accurately identify the shell and fuze type before moving the item, then it can be turned over to a pro who has the proper underwater remote drilling set-up to deactivate the shell if this is desired. (I mentioned "fuze type" because there is one very rare fuze, the Tice Concussion Fuze, which is potentially dangerous to handle. It's the only one, and quite rare, but worth checking with an expert before fiddling with. Mostly used in 100-pounder Parrott shells in Charleston, SC, but a couple have been found in 12-pounder (Napoleon) round shells, too Reading this years later, but the Tice is always mentioned. It WAS dangerous (had glass balls in it), but it was late war Union. So you're NOT gonna find it in CSA areas, and very unlikely in U.S. sites. The Tice is always mentioned.


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yamoon Frequent Elocutionist Offline NRA Life, ASSRA , GGCA, MCA Posts: 1006 Location: Junction City Kansas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2012	Re: Heavy Stuff (artillery) Reply #36 - Apr 26^th, 2022 at 11:48pm	Print Post
	Just returned from visiting my brother in Honolulu, we toured the battleship Missouri at Pearl while we were there. Those main guns are huge. Mike
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oldman46 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 424 Joined: Sep 21^st, 2016	Re: Heavy Stuff (artillery) Reply #37 - May 1^st, 2022 at 1:07am	Print Post
	My carrier had the old slow fire 5"x54's on it. Used to watch the aft mounts from the fantail and those 54 pound practise rounds would go whosh,whosh kinda like an old steam locomotive. Was on a dependents day cruise one year. And they would announce which mount was going to shoot next. Would sit on the flight deck and boom. All of a sudden all sorts or screaming and yelling. No one was paying attention to the announcements. Worst loud noise was on another cruise and they were dropping 500 pound bombs in the water. Was down in the engine room and the main steam header rocking back and forth. Top watch called the bridge and in no uncertain terms politely told them drop them bombs further away as if the main steam header breaks we're all dead down here. Next series was much further away. Frank


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