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Production year from Winchester serial Nos. ?
Feb 25th, 2011 at 1:15am
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Hi, I recently aquired a Winchester Highwall (standard sporter .32/40) with serial number 112XXX but I'm having difficulty determining the year of manufacture for this rifle. Sources (Madis, West & Campbell) all give alternate dates - 1902, 1914/15 & 1920). The action is a flatspring but the serial number suggests it should be a coil spring (I have several other HW either side of this number that are coil spring actions). Perhaps made up for an export order to Australia with unused older parts as the rifle is marked with a stamp from a known Australian Winchester importer (Perry Bros.). It appears to be in untouched original condition. 
Any suggestions on how I can date this rifle?
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Re: Production year from Winchester serial Nos. ?
Reply #1 - Feb 25th, 2011 at 8:32am
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Spud,

     Bear in mind this is JMHO, but I think you have already answered your own question.  It is a rifle that was assembled from parts.  Whether it was done very late at the factory (that SN would probably put it in the early to mid teens) or later when somebody changed the trigger tang on an earlier rifle and refinished the receiver to match (and it has now had 70-80 or more years to age and look original) or as a factory repair. 

The trigger tang should have block numbers for the serial, and a block capital A at the end, and I would expect it to be blued, while the flat spring action, if unaltered, would most likely be cased instead.  During the '20s and '30s Winchester would accept 'walls for repairs and replace parts as needed... I have been lead to believe that if major work was done (such as replacing a broken trigger tang, perhaps) that the receivers would be rehardened and blued at that time.  That may be what happened to yours.  Anything else I could say would be gross speculation (as opposed to the nice speculation already!  Wink)

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Reply #2 - Feb 25th, 2011 at 2:56pm
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Spud, 

Have you thought of contacting the Cody Firearms Museum?
  

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Reply #3 - Feb 26th, 2011 at 12:11am
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Hello Spud,

For what it is worth, Campbell, Madis, and West are poor sources of information in regards to the Model 1885 dates of manufacture.

Serial number 112,000 was manufactured on September 16th, 1911, and serial number 112,999 on February 2nd, 1912.

I have personally seen a relatively large number of factory original  flat-spring actions in the 110,000 through 115,000 serial range. Winchester was using up parts on hand.

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Reply #4 - Feb 26th, 2011 at 1:09am
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Thanks for your help guys.
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Reply #5 - Feb 26th, 2011 at 5:32am
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The key is the letter "A" at the end of the tang, the serial number doesn't matter. The "A" refers to a design change (as on the Win. 62 & the 62A, where they went from 3 pins in the breech block to 1 pin & also changed the shape of the fore end).       ...MIKE...
  
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Reply #6 - Feb 26th, 2011 at 1:17pm
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MAD MIKE wrote on Feb 26th, 2011 at 5:32am:
The key is the letter "A" at the end of the tang, the serial number doesn't matter. The "A" refers to a design change (as on the Win. 62 & the 62A, where they went from 3 pins in the breech block to 1 pin & also changed the shape of the fore end).       ...MIKE...


Hello Mike,

That is a good rule of thumb, but not always accurate. I have personally seen several 100% original high-wall rifles in the 114,000 serial range that have the sideways "A" on the bitter end of the tang, but are in fact flat-spring actions. 

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Reply #7 - Feb 26th, 2011 at 3:16pm
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A quick question,
About what serial number was the coil spring introduced? Or what is the lowest number anyone has seen for a coil spring?

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Re: Production year from Winchester serial Nos. ?
Reply #8 - Feb 26th, 2011 at 6:11pm
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Bert H, when are you going to have your book out with all of this information you have been gathering and mentioning on this board?  It will be bound to be an immediate best seller.

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Reply #9 - Feb 26th, 2011 at 11:38pm
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Frank,
FYI the earliest coil spring I ever had was a Low-wall in .44 WCF #1049XX.

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