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John Boy
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Is 300MP the New H-110?
Feb 23rd, 2011 at 9:43pm
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* 300MP, per Alliant, is a 'little bit' slower than H-110's Burn Rate
* Both powders are stated to be pistol powder but now H-100, introduced in 1962, is sold as a rifle-pistol-shotgun powder
* Both powders are double based powders
* Both powders are extremely fine grained flattened spheres.  Some grains the size of dust!
* Both powders are silvery gray in color (the silver has to be the flakes of tin dioxide)
* Both powders possess high grain density, meaning they occupy very little space per unit of measure

Reading up on Hodgdon H-110 in Propellant Profiles, here are some interesting items that may make 300MP a better powder for use in the light Schuetzen rifle bullet weight calibers:
** Hodgdon recommends that magnum primers be used for consistent ignition of H-110
** Hodgdon also recommends to use a heavy crimp to aid ignition
** My recommendation due to the high grain density, to preclude grains embedded in the primers through the flash hole and aid ignition is ... use an over the flash hole wad.  A light paper is my choice so as not to decrease the brisance

Hodgdon does not recommend that H-110 be downloaded and Alliant has no answer or data for downloaded charges.  So, plan to determine if this is fact or fiction this weekend for a test using 300MP. Have 20 rounds loaded with the BACO 8.15x46R, 174gr stop ring bullet.  Five each rounds: 9g - 10gr -11gr and 12gr.  Will chronograph them if Mother Nature allows!

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Re: Is 300MP the New H-110?
Reply #1 - Feb 24th, 2011 at 9:27am
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John Boy go back two or three pages in the re-loading section and you should be able to catch up to some articles on my test results using 300MP for both the 32-40 & 38-55. The 200yd test targets have the loading data listed on the bottom of each target. If you choose to use this load data I would start two grains lower and work your way up until you achieve the same results.

300MP is definitely not the same as H110.

All ball powders tend to have the same visual characteristics but by no means are the burn rates the same.

If you have any questions in regards to my test results just let me know and I would be more than happy to address them for you.

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Re: Is 300MP the New H-110?
Reply #2 - Feb 24th, 2011 at 1:03pm
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John Boy go back two or three pages in the re-loading section and you should be able to catch up to some articles on my test results using 300MP for both the 32-40 & 38-55.

John, already done when you 1st made the posts.  When the weather breaks, plan to use your data for my CPA 32-40 and 38-55 HiWall.  Also will give the 300MP a ride with some Ideal Hudson's in 32-40 and 38-55
  
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Re: Is 300MP the New H-110?
Reply #3 - Feb 24th, 2011 at 3:53pm
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John Boy I thought you had read the eariler posts and possibly asked some questions I just was to lazy to go back look. 

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Re: Is 300MP the New H-110?
Reply #4 - Feb 27th, 2011 at 3:03pm
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First test of Alliant 300MP for Gallery downloads.  Shot at 25yd in the Aydt Type II with 6 o'clock hold from rest.  Sights: blade foresight and diopter rear.
Target pictures to follow when I return home so I can scan them. 
Best Target - 12 grains      

8.15x46R Loading Data                  
30-30 Reformed Cases                  
Federal 215 LR Magnum Primer No Flash Hole Wad
Alliant 300MP Powder                  
Baco 0.316 Stop Ring 180gr (174gr 1:20)                  
                       
          9 Gr     10 Gr      11 Gr      12 Gr 
          938.4      1040      1120      1224
             971      1071      1131      1230
          978.6      1059      1127      1233
          935.8      1084      1111      1170
          969.2      1113      1075      1216
AVG      958.6    1073.4   1112.8   1214.6
Median  969.2      1071      1120      1224
SD        19.96     27.42       22.45    25.76

Notes:
1.   Not happy with the STD DEV.  Possibly a wad over flash hole will decrease the SD spread
2.   12 grain load and resulting target looks to be a good 200 yd reload
  
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Re: Is 300MP the New H-110?
Reply #5 - Feb 27th, 2011 at 3:21pm
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Did you try a standard none magnum rifle or pistol primer I also would not be happy with the SD unless it was shooting MOA at 200yds then I wouldn't worry about. I have seen more excellent targets shot with high SD's "within reason" than I have seen shot with extremely low SD's.

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Reply #6 - Feb 27th, 2011 at 5:33pm
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Did you try a standard none magnum rifle or pistol primer
John, no.  Test #2: std LR - LP - and CCI BR2 with a thin wad over the flash hole.
  
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