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Reply #60 - Feb 19th, 2011 at 12:41am
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Chuckster wrote on Feb 18th, 2011 at 11:02pm:
Read Whitey's post # 66 again. This is supposed to be fun.
Chuck


You know, you're right, we are all reasonable adults, in the company of others that share our interests.  It should be fun. Something about this site just seems to fester and boil up every year or so, and this happens.  I don't know what brought on the start of it this time, but it just gets worse and worse until guys that have mutual interests are forming lifetime grudges and the BOD and Association is getting bashed for perceived slights and things that we all walked away from years ago.   

I think I'll take a cue from old ben, and take a vacation from the site for a while and work on bolt guns for a spell.  I've got a .458 Lott to finish the reliability work and regulate, a .375-06 on a pre-64 M70 to finish sighting and stocking, and a .338-06 to finish stocking.  Also putting together a 6mm prairie dog gun that I intend to wear out the barrel this summer.   

I got one of the neatest single shots in today that I have ever owned.  If I'm still enthusiastic about it when I come back, maybe I'll talk about it then.  Also put a nice high wall up for sale today, but not here, this time.  The contribution for selling it would have been more than a multi-year membership.

To save someone else saying it, I won't let the door hit me on the way out!   Grin

Until next time....

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Reply #61 - Feb 19th, 2011 at 8:39am
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So the general feeling as I see it is in shooting terms is: I want to shoot the match, but I don't want to pay a match fee. You all should feel privileged to see the brilliance of my shooting. 
  If you think that what keeps this balloon a float is hot air then we have no problems. 
The one thing that has not been said in this orgy of entitlement is a simple thank you to the people who do the heavy lifting.

THANK YOU Jim and Josh. Why you put up with us is beyond my understanding.

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Reply #62 - Feb 19th, 2011 at 8:43am
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Thinking of heavy lifting, I'd think a HUGE thank you is fitting for the old guys that got the ball rolling back in 1948.

Thank You to all.

I am glad they do not have to see all the whining.
  
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Reply #63 - Feb 19th, 2011 at 2:55pm
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Tha Alberta Schuetzen Guild has been in existence since 1990 and has jointly sponsored both ASSRA and ISSA shoots. 

We have been very happy with the support and interactions provided by ISSA.

They have had a BOD attend every single Regional and Canadian ISSA shoot every year that we have been in existence. No problem communicating changes, concerns and needs with them. They also have a BOD that communicates changes, revisions and seeks input from their Clubs.

While we are no longer a formal Club with ASSRA, however we will continue to sponsor ASSRA shoots for the enjoyment and betterment of our cast bullet single shot shooters. However we cannot report ASSRA Club records since we have been forced to print our own targets and we are no longer a recognized Club.

Initially it was not the Club's decison to not particpate as a Club. It was ASSRA dropping us as a listed Club without ever communicating with us that they were doing so.
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Reply #64 - Feb 19th, 2011 at 4:56pm
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One way or another: member or not, yes or no, on or off, in or out, makes no difference to me but the attached picture is worth thousands of words and a multitude of Thoughts..... 
No matter what, this guy should have had some recognition for his effort from the association........
Because every guy on this forum member of the association or not, would give both nutz and much more to do this, under the conditions and the pressure of the moment! 
We as a club recognize this as a unforgivable sin....
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Reply #65 - Feb 19th, 2011 at 5:31pm
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Every serious benchrest shooter in ASSRA knows of Tommy Mason, he is and has been one of the very best bench shooters in the country.
      Assra does not have a match for 5 targets-so no records, should we have records for 5 targets, maybe 3 targets. My guess is that this would be a club record.  ledball  A PROUD ASSRA MEMBER
  
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Reply #66 - Feb 19th, 2011 at 5:54pm
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Recognition comes in more ways then record books that are self serving....
Maybe a picture gracing the pages of the associations magazine... or even an honorable mention in the annals would have been suffice.
Just a sign of respect for a member of the association.
but Nada !!!
Maybe more people shoot many targets like the for mentioned then Ive seen in my short go at this game. And its just another day at the range. if so ..
Please except my humble apology.
An Joe I don't buy sell or even look at the classifieds  because of the USA's export laws.
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Reply #67 - Feb 19th, 2011 at 6:02pm
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FROM: Ken Meyer-Vice President, ASSRA
Fellows, I have just become aware of the ongoing discussion on the forum. This sort of bickering can lead to nothing but hard feelings. Please try to take these Principal tenets of the ASSRA to heart. That is: 
"Founded to promote fellowship among those interested in the use, study, and preservation of single shot rifles developed between the end of the Civil War and the onset of  WW I."
"To encourage high standards of ethical conduct at all times and to promote genuine friendliness, tolerance and mutual respect for each other. "
These are quotes from the ASSRA Constitution, and as corny as it may sound, I take these principals seriously. If there are ever any problems concerning the Association maybe I can be of assistance. I am not aware of every problem that comes up. Most things are handled by the board member in charge of that particular portion of the associations tasks. But I will guarantee you this: If you will just call me and let me know when there is a problem, I will move heaven and earth to solve it. If your club’s affiliation dues are lost in the mail or otherwise missing, let me know. I don’t care who’s fault it is, I’ll solve it. I will pull ten dollars out of my wallet and solve the problem. Problem with shipping targets internationally-maybe there is a simple solution. BUT I can not solve problems that I do not know about. I am also constrained by the laws of physics in that I can not time travel, nor can I unsay things someone might have said. Also, just to be clear; there are no conspiracies by the board. We only meet about once a month and that meeting is tied up with matters of practical business. We don’t conspire-We don't have the time and we’re not that smart.
My phone number is in the front of the Journal. Don't e-mail, call me. Electronic communication leads to misunderstandings.
  
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Reply #68 - Feb 19th, 2011 at 7:02pm
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As a Board member, I have to say that when an issue has come up, we have taken it seriously and have responded IMHO in a manner benifiting the membership. A couple of examples:

1) Updating of the rules
2) Improved the magazine cover from paper to a plastic bag type covering
3) Updated record definitions to recognise exceptional scores at ranges other than those fired at the National Matches
4) Got the Journal back on track
5) Bath house at the National Range
6) Range extension and berm expansion

I am sure I am missing something and I apoligize ahead of time. Many of these changes were spearheaded by 40 Rod, Ken Meyer and Charlie Persons. 

I can think of darn few organizations that publish the email addresses and phone numbers of the entire Board for members to contact if needed. Speaking for myself, I can count on two fingers the number of members contacting me regarding some issue they were concerned about. 

As for the site, Jim and Josh have done an outstanding job and quite frankly a thankless one. 

If you have a beef or comments for improvements, contact a BOD member. We are listening and acting when appropriate. 

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Reply #69 - Feb 19th, 2011 at 7:25pm
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May I ask how often the BOD meet?

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Reply #70 - Feb 19th, 2011 at 7:30pm
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First question: Do you have to be a member of ASSRA to participate in this Forum?  Didn't think so. It was this Forum that really introduced me to this fine organization and my becoming a member. There's a LOT of Forums out there on just about any subject you can imagine. So, this forum is a way of introducing "US" the members and what ASSRA does for us.  If, when I first looked into the forum I was told I have to join before I could participate, it would have been "Bye now!" hope you have fun with that ever it is you do. 

Gentlemen, I was on staff with the NMLRA in the '70's & '80's when there was almost another major split between the shooters and buckskinners. I mean SERIOUS. We got through it and were probably stronger after the fact. But guys it sure weren't fun. If the decision is made to preclude anyone but members from selling,  as a member, I will abide and support this decision. However, I would like it recorded that for myself, I think it would be a mistake..

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Reply #71 - Feb 19th, 2011 at 8:35pm
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Generally, we meet monthly either by phone or at one of the matches.

Participating in the forum, you do NOT have to be a member but we would like anyone who has an interest in single shot rifles and shooting to join. We ask EVERYONE to abide by the forum rules and be respectful to differences in opinions and positions on various subjects. Since the discussions are via typed replys, it is often too easy to mis interpret the true meaning. When in doubt, please give the benefit of the doubt. In the rare cases when a discussion has degraded to uncivil responses, any one of the three moderators has the authority from the BOD to close and/or delete offending posts. 

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Reply #72 - Feb 19th, 2011 at 9:12pm
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Why cant we drink beer while we shoot!  I'm really mad about that!  Angry

I think it's a conspiracy against beer drinkers.   Angry   Well, I get that feeling.   Sad    It goes away when I drink a few beers.   I'm drinking my after dinner beer right now and boy oh boy is it GOOD!  

I suppose if I belonged to the secret society I could drink beer when I shoot?  Where do I sign up?   It's a secret?  I'm confused.  Embarrassed




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Reply #73 - Feb 20th, 2011 at 1:06am
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I'm afraid that I have to agree with Tom on this subject. 

I joined ASSRA in early '85. As a newbie, I had no knowledge of the organization, I just knew that I loved single shots and wanted to shoot in matches. I did quickly learn that the organization centered around the people that shot at Edna Green. I learned my basic skills with the People that shot at the Brea CA club and with the help of Ron Long by phone.

I moved back to Oregon in January of '86 and with the help of a good friend (John Haas, now deceased), I started Jefferson State Schuetzen Society. I promoted ASSRA and single shots to ANYONE that would lesson at gun shows and at the range for 12 years. And almost all that joined the club, joined ASSRA.

I knew that I had no say in ASSRA's business but was content that any record that might be shot in my matches would indeed be a real record. I was surprised to find after joining the forum, that, that has changed. The one thing that the clubs did have, that they could call there own.

The range that I affiliated with to hold my matches, had a very good system of club participation. Each member club had 2 people on the board with 1/2 vote each (if only one was at the board meetings he got the whole vote for the club) if no one from the club showed for the meeting they had no vote. Meetings were once a month, every month. All expenditures were discussed and voted on and all clubs could ask for help, if they had a plan and that was voted on. All suggestions and grievances were discussed and where voted on if there was a motion and a second. Not all agreed on everything but, We all felt equal and that we were appreciated and everyone in the different clubs, felt that they had a say in how things were done (kinda like our goverment is suppose to be, HA HA).

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Reply #74 - Feb 20th, 2011 at 1:21am
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During those years, I also shot with the CBA and I thought they had a good system to make the members happy at matches. They had regionals at different locations during the year (plus regualar club matches)  and then a big national match each year, that was held at different locations. I never heard anyone complain about that system in the 6 or 7 years that I shot with them and all liked the idea of being able to meet and shoot with the top shooters from all over the USA.

Just my $.000

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