"Was the photo or story of this feat sent to the editor of the SSRJ?
If not it would be very difficult to print it.
John does a very good job, but he ain't no magician."

We were of the understanding that unaffiliated Clubs were not to use the ASSRA  services. We have not sumitted the record to the magazine since ASSRA declared us an unaffiliated Club. Also we are now being told you cannot submit a 50 shot record regardless if it was shot by an ASSRA member on ASSRA targets using ASSRA rules.

The information is available on this forum including the scores of many ASSRA Clubs that no longer report since many of their members discontinued their memberships. This information is freely available to the magazine on this forum if they wish to consider printing it. 

But I thought the proposal was that us free loaders should not be using those services.

I'm sorry Joe if we have lost you.

We have been talking about what is required to better involve Clubs in ASSRA. This includes identifying  the needs of Clubs  including what they believe is a Club record, the need for improved two way communications with the Clubs and adequate representation of the Club's needs.

From the Canadian point of view we have given up on ASSRA actually recognizing any previous records and are trying to ensure the needs of other Clubs are considered in the future. Possibly  ASSRA will develop better support through better communication and representation.
 
Unfortunately at this point it appears our Club is saying, ASSRA membership does not meet any of the Clubs needs and there is no sense in re-engaging unless there is an opportunity to bring the Club's needs forward; like discussing what is a Club record i.e. 50 shot events. At this point the past is history and is brought forward  for consideration of changes that need to improve relations with not just our Club; but others that are not as vocal.

Besides before this post started we were happy just to go enjoy ourselves and shoot ASSRA and completely forget about re-engaging as a Club. For good or bad here is documentation of what has occurred from our Club's perspective. Any movements forward are for ASSRA to  take actions to resolve; or continue to be happy to see dissenters leave the organization.

Schuetzendave,
Your clubs records are not official ASSRA courses of fire so ASSRA has no reason to record them or honor them. 

Please don't think that because of what I said above that I'm siding with the current officials,  I'm not. and this is the  reason why. 

An  ASSRA member friend of mine got banned from this site because he asked a few legitimate questions about the workings of ASSRA and received nothing but sarcastic remarks from a few of the officials, needless to say he and a bunch more are no longer ASSRA members or members of this site.

And because some of the officials that gave those sarcastic answers back then are still officials at this time, and as far as I'm concerned are not good representatives of ASSRA,  it's very hard for me to forgive and forget what they did to some good shooters back then.

Here's a solution for you to have things your way. Start your own Association, call it the CSSRA, make your own rules, shoot your own courses of fire, make up your own targets,  keep your own records. You will be a much happier man and the ASSRA Officials wont have to do anything, this way things will be back to normal.
  S T

As to club records:
The ASSRA has 2 classes of records The first is ASSRA Records these are open to any ASSRA member in good standing who shoot a qualifying target at an affiliated club under ASSRA match rules. The target must be signed by the Schuetzenmeister to affirm that the target was so shot. It is then sent to the clubs coordinator who will let the Editor know when a record has been tied or beaten. 
The second record is a National Match record. These are records that are shot at one of the 5 national matches held annually at the ASSRA range in Etna Green IN. 
The ASSRA does not keep club records that is the job of the club.
Dave communication is a two way street. You have to follow the rules and procedures not just bark and expect everyone to jump. If you would have tried to cooperate a little instead of trying to pound a square peg into the round hole you would have gotten a lot further.

40 Rod

No change has been made to the for sale section it was a proposal by Keith. The board will discuss it if it is brought up at the next meeting. I have secretary since May of 2005 in that time no one has contacted me about any of the issues that have been brought up in this discussion. Remember there are two sides to every story. The BOD of the ASSRA does listen to the concerns of members as well as nonmembers. As long as I have been secretary the board has been open and we have had several times been deeply divided as to what to do about some of the issues that have come up here in the forum. Each year the board has changed with some people leaving the BOD and others joining.  We are the servants of the members and do our best.
Cheers,
Laurie