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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	38-55 & Alliant 300MP Conclusions Feb 13^th, 2011 at 4:59pm	Print Post
	Below is a target I shot in practice on Friday Feb. 11, 2011 with my good friend shooting by my side. Unfortunately due to some health issues with my right wrist I will not be able to pursue any further load development for this cartridge at the present time. It is my hopes to move onto testing the new Alliant 300MP in my 33-47 and if there is an interest I would be more than happy to post my results. My motive for posting this target is to encourage those individuals who are currently shooting 38-55's or are thinking of doing so in the future that might ask just how much accuracy could one expect to achieve. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) J.Louis

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ole7groove Ex Member	Re: 38-55 & Alliant 300MP Conclusions Reply #1 - Feb 13^th, 2011 at 5:30pm	Print Post
	Sonny- Great shooting! BWDarr


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Whistlepigger Ex Member	Re: 38-55 & Alliant 300MP Conclusions Reply #2 - Feb 13^th, 2011 at 6:04pm	Print Post
	Holy Mackeral! I didn't know those things would do that. Okay, that does it. I have been contemplating going with a 38-55 on my next rifle, and now I'm sure. May I ask some questions about your rifle? What is its twist? Is it a straight twist or gain twist? Is it choked? If you consider these to be personal or otherwise invasive, I will understand. What are you sighting with? (Iron or scope or what?) What is your brass length? Gee, I like that target. Thanks for sharing. I've never done THAT with a round ball.


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38_Cal Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2247 Location: Montezuma, Iowa Joined: Apr 27^th, 2005	Re: 38-55 & Alliant 300MP Conclusions Reply #3 - Feb 13^th, 2011 at 6:25pm	Print Post
	Nice target. Hope you get the health issues cleared up soon! David

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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2917 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: 38-55 & Alliant 300MP Conclusions Reply #4 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 8:09am	Print Post
	Very nice. Sorry to read about your wrist. The biggest problem with getting 'older' is not that we get aches and pains (injuries), but how long it takes to get over them. Hope you heal soon. Also, what wad, if any, have you been using? That's looks like a good load to start with in my 38-56.

	Glenn - 2x CPA 44 1/2 w/22LR (Shilen ratchet-rifled & Bartlein 5R rifled), 38-40RH & 38-55WCF (Bartlein 5R rifled) & 40-65WCF (GrnMtn 'X') barrels
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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: 38-55 & Alliant 300MP Conclusions Reply #5 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 8:57am	Print Post
	Whistepigger if you scroll down to the bottom of this page and click on page 2 you will find two more segments that I posted on the 38-55 & Alliant 300MP with additional test targets and information that you might find to be helpful. The Rifle is a CPA Model 52, Douglas premium barrel with a twist rate of 1-18. The brass length is 2.1285 and the sighting equipment is a Night Force 12x42 Benchrest Scope set at 42X. If you have any further questions I would be more than happy to answer them for you. J.Louis

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: 38-55 & Alliant 300MP Conclusions Reply #6 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 9:04am	Print Post
	SSShooter during the load development stages I found the rifle shot better without the use of a wad so I do not use one. J.Louis

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Whistlepigger Ex Member	Re: 38-55 & Alliant 300MP Conclusions Reply #7 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 9:37am	Print Post
	Thank you. I really appreciate it.


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SSShooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2917 Location: Southern NJ Joined: Aug 1^st, 2010	Re: 38-55 & Alliant 300MP Conclusions Reply #8 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 12:35pm	Print Post
	JLouis wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 9:04am: SSShooter during the load development stages I found the rifle shot better without the use of a wad so I do not use one. J.Louis Thanks for the reply. No fear of 'ringing' the barrel without a wad?

	Glenn - 2x CPA 44 1/2 w/22LR (Shilen ratchet-rifled & Bartlein 5R rifled), 38-40RH & 38-55WCF (Bartlein 5R rifled) & 40-65WCF (GrnMtn 'X') barrels
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GWarden Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 317 Location: Marshalltown Iowa Joined: Apr 18^th, 2004	Re: 38-55 & Alliant 300MP Conclusions Reply #9 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 4:50pm	Print Post
	Great targets. Do you have the velocity for your loads? Thanks again for sharing your load development work with us. Bob Iowa

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: 38-55 & Alliant 300MP Conclusions Reply #10 - Feb 14^th, 2011 at 6:32pm	Print Post
	Bob I did not take out my chronograph which is highly unusual for me as I did not want the velocity to dictate where I wanted to go. I just started out with a low and safe powder charge then I worked my up until my targets told me to stop and I made all the fine adjustments from there. Thank you very much for your compliment on the targets it is highly appreciated and my only motive for posting them and my test results was to motivate others to spend the time and effort it takes to achieve the same results of which are within everyone's reach. J.Louis

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Old-Win Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1670 Location: Minnesota Joined: Nov 24^th, 2005	Re: 38-55 & Alliant 300MP Conclusions Reply #11 - Feb 15^th, 2011 at 5:23pm	Print Post
	In discussion earlier, Westerner mentioned the 38-40 Remington. Is using that cartridge, an attempt to come up with a smaller capacity case similar to the Miller in the .32's. Could there be an advantage to that cartridge and are there any attempts of other modern designs in a reduced capacity .38? I reread John Merz's article in the Journal about the .357 based cartridges and he makes mention of the .333KR. Does anybody have information on that cartridge like bullets twist etc. Maybe a chamber design? Thanks!


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ledball Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1010 Location: syracuse, ohio Joined: Nov 20^th, 2009	Re: 38-55 & Alliant 300MP Conclusions Reply #12 - Feb 15^th, 2011 at 5:57pm	Print Post
	The .333 KR is a case designed by the late Charlie Dell, it is a bottleneck case made from 30/30 Win or 30 American brass about 1.350 long. The barrels were 14 twist made by Douglas and are a true 33 caliber NOT .338. ledball


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