Best 200 yard Canadian ISSA Iron Sight Bench record at 200 yards:

495/500    July, 1995         Ken Allen    

Using a Ruger with RKS barrel.

Russ Weber (Weber Breech Seaters) knows the tricks to fine tune a Ruger to get it to shoot more accurately with less vibrations.

Hi Frank,
Your not looking in the right places, your not limited to Oregon, we have the internet now  , makes things a lot faster and easier,  try Gun Broker or Auction Arms, not long ago I bought a real nice Ruger # 1 from a long time ASSRA member for $ 525., it was in a useless caliber, 300 Win Mag, but I was changing the barrel any way. I own a few  # 1's,  and never paid more that $ 575. for any of them.

As to lock time, well I don't think your $ 20. spring and a file job will come close to being as fast as one of the Frank Zika  speed hammers and the speed spring that comes with it.  Or if you think a faster lock time than that well help the sear notch can be re-cut a 1/4 inch closer by a good gunsmith, now you not only have a lighter hammer you also have one that does not have to travel as far to the firing pin so it becomes even faster. 

It's all about the mass weight, if you ever get a chance weight a High Wall hammer then weight one of Franks speed hammers, I think you will find that in order to get that mass weight of the Wall hammer moving it will take a very big spring, so big that you may have a hard time cocking the hammer. I'm not totally sure about all of this but this is what I've been told by a few gunsmiths. 

Yes, a striker breech block would be nice and faster, but like you said it's probably not needed on a bench gun and I don't know any shooters that can say that a striker breech block made them a better OH shot.

Frank, 
You said that  "It also makes the # 1 just a straight bench gun and not a combo BR/OH rifle. Lock time isn't as important on bench guns as it in OH"

How does all this make the # 1 just a bench gun ? you can get very fast lock time and put any weight barrel on the # 1 up to 1.200 and with very little work you can go to 1.250, that's more than heavy enough for any OH rifle that I would want to try an shoot.
What we need to do is find out what Joe B's problem was then maybe some of us can help him out.
 

ledball wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 4:05pm:



    Ruger has NO problem! 

            Joe. 

frnkeore wrote on Feb 14^th, 2011 at 1:06am:


Frank,
Your problem is living on the left coast. You don't think the frugal (cheap) yankees would let the good ones leave New England, do you? Seriously, I know of 4 sitting on gun store shelves for $550 to $600 here. 
Regards,
Ron

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There certainly is  varied opinion, but I think it sums up to:"Ruger SS rifles will shoot lead bullets accurately if a set of modifications is made to them. However, either that set of modifications is too expensive or takes so long or doesn't result in enough accuracy that Ruger SS rifles are not chosen much for match use." This is my interpretation of what's written above.   
I've always thought and often said that Ruger guns would be much better with another 10% spent on the construction, and that at least some buyers would be happy to pay that 10%. Why the Ruger 22 pistol in any of its guises has the same horrible trigger it had in 1960 is beyond me. 
Thanks for the replies, it's good to know that I'm not alone in my opinion. 
joe b.

There's Joe B.,
Joe, the Ruger # 1's I have shoot better than good, in fact sometimes there so accurate when shot off a bench they scare me. Yes like any other single shot rifle they have to be set up the right way, hope you don't think that the guys shooting in ASSRA events are shootin guns right out of the box, no way. Most times the cost of doing a Ruger is lower than the other actions such as a Miller or a Winchester High Wall. 

So the cost factor is on your side, a barrel will cost the same no matter what action you put it on, if you intend to re-stock it the wood will cost the same no matte what you put it on, speed hammers, springs,  and triggers can be bought at very reasonable cost for the # 1, I don't know what is available for High Wall's or any other actions but I'm sure if you wanted to buy a speed hammer for a High Wall it would cost  much more than what a Frank Zika  speed hammer and spring would cost.

Again it depends on what you want, need, or desire from an accuracy standpoint, you never did tell us what the # 1 you had built up shot like, give us some details as to the caliber, what the gunsmith did to it, what size groups you shot with it, etc., etc.  also what don't you like about the action 

You said that you don't think much of the Ruger design. Tell us what you don't like about it. A lot of things can easily be changed at a very low cost by someone that understands what needs to be done.

I'm betting that there are a lot of guys on this forum that could be a big help to you getting a gun set up but you got to give us more details as to what you  problems were in the past. 

A # 1 action or a High Wall action is no Miller action, but there as good or better than most others and wont cost $ 2000. +  just for the action.
  S T

As 40_Rod mentioned we have two members that work on Ruger. I live about 30minutes from 38cal. I just picked up yesterday the second Ruger #1 he has worked on, a #1 in 218 Bee. The first one was a #1 in 375H&H that I use for cast bullets. After 38Cal worked on it , it went from shooting 5shot groups at 100yds of 2 1/2" to 1" if the nut behind it does his part. Now 1" isn't bad with fixed ammo. Point is, that is one great improvement for a small investment.
Bob
Iowa

Thanks for the kind words, Bob.

JoeB seems to be missing the point.  The Ruger No. 1 rifles you can buy from your local gun shop are production line hunting rifles, not target rifles.  Rifles with two piece stocks are, without individual tuning, less accurate than many out of the box bolt action rifles.  There are production single shots that will give match accuracy with hand loaded ammo.  Ballard, CPA, Shiloh and C. Sharps, etc.  These are not production rifles in the same manner as Ruger or Winchester/Miroku, but are essentially "factory built custom" rifles using very good or better components.  They also cost close to what it would take to set up a Ruger to equal their accuracy.  So, Joe, let's keep the discussion to apples and apples, not apples and kumquats!   

David