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Ruger SS accuracy
Feb 12th, 2011 at 7:44am
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I have had very poor luck having Rugers built as SS target rifles in the past. It seems that there are few Ruger SS rifles being campaigned in matches; and those have been greatly modified. I also don't think much of the Ruger design.
I'd like to hear that I'm wrong, that someone has learned how to make Rugers shoot.
Anybody?
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Reply #1 - Feb 12th, 2011 at 8:44am
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If you are looking for a sub MOA rifle out of the box Rugers have problems. there are some smiths who have made them work and there are aftermarket parts sources that can help. Singleshot and 38 cal on this forum both have had excellent results with Rugers. They take a little massaging but are a fine base for a target rifle.

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Reply #2 - Feb 12th, 2011 at 8:45am
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Have you done a search on same in these forums? Been several magazine articles over the years on the need to adjust the forearm tension on the barrel in order to get any reasonable degree of accuracy. Believe Chuck Hawks talks about that in his on-line articles on the Ruger. Excellent action that needs some help to do its best. Also, there is a gunsmith in NE PA who specializes in the Ruger No.1. Unfortunately, I've forgotten his name.

EDIT: However, just checked and was not my usual self in this instance and did save his e-mail address. Talk to Jeff Butz at RUGER_1@stroudsburg.com.
  

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Reply #3 - Feb 12th, 2011 at 3:40pm
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fore-end bedding gets a lot of popular attention, and justifiably so for most shooters needs.  However when we are talking about low velocity, lead bullet 200 yrd accuracy in a benchrest context you have to factor in a bunch of stuff.

A lot of the Ruger SS tend to show up in the hands of relatively new shooters for price reasons.  so perceived mechanical problems may be masking skill level issues in our shooting matches.

Ruger factory barrels over the year have had ups and downs in terms of quality.  some good some bad.   Rebarelling to schuetzen calibres opens the door to issues of barrel/installation/chambering quality issues.

The ruger action uses a large heavy internal hammer with a monstrous swing.  that requires a massive mainspring to get it in motion and when it strikes it seems like it should be shaking the guy at the next bench.  hair-splittingly fine accuracy is difficult if the gun wants to jump out of the bags before the projectile leaves the barrel.    Frank Zika has done us a HUGE favor with his competition grade replacement hammer and spring sets. 

the ruger triggers as factory issued leave somewhat to be desired.  tuning and balancing can work wonders but those of us who like the actions are waiting with bated breath for Frank's drop-in trigger replacement assembly.

All of that said; I have a #1 in 22 rf built by Steve Durren  heavy select GM barrel, very tight match chamber that requires a push seater. very well reworked trigger, (sub-2# and super clean and crisp--with all the internal parts still in place) Of course the forend is set up correctly.  It's set up almost exclusively for the 200 yard 22 rf benchrest.  I have yet to break 240 but I am sure that the gun itself in the hands of a more skilled shooter with the right ammo and conditions could shoot a 250.

I'm currently working on a offhand rifle on a #3 action that I hope will prove successful,  but it will be highly custom as well.
  

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Reply #4 - Feb 12th, 2011 at 8:14pm
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The Ruger #1 is a handsome, classy looking rifle but , thats where the good stuff ends. It is the classic example of over engineering or " what would happen if I hang this on there".  The money spent on a Win Hi Wall, Ballard, Stevens etc. to get it to shoot will probably make the rifle more attractive when or if you decide to sell, not so with the Ruger #1. IMO nothing will make it a better rifle until someone designs a striker fired breechblock and removes that hanger 'tuning fork' from under the barrel. Did I say that its a nice looking rifle.   ledball
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 12th, 2011 at 8:39pm
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ledball has hit the nail square on the head! All the Ruger action needs is a striker breachblock with a Jewell trigger and it will be the very best there is!
  

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Reply #6 - Feb 12th, 2011 at 8:48pm
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      Joe:
    Sorry but i can not agree with the idea that the Ruger #1 does not make a fine lead bullet rifle.  I have had the great luck over the past 10+ years to have used a Ruger put together by Marlin Basset on one of the ASSRA actions for bench rest.  It is always competative and if I'm not hunt I know the fault is mine and not the rifles.
     By the way this rifle has the original main spring mount and the forend is screwed directly to the barrel.   
     Hope your warm in Marathon, Joe.  We sure aint here in Ct.
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Reply #7 - Feb 12th, 2011 at 9:47pm
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Andy speaks the truth. He has beaten me and my DeHass-Miller many times.
  

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Reply #8 - Feb 12th, 2011 at 11:42pm
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I have extremely limited experiance with the Rugers. But I do know that I couldn't get a 30/30 to shoot BSed (I helped a friend with it). I made the breech seater for it and helped him in load development, all to no avail. It was a completely stock #1 and this was in the late '80's. 

I personally think for the price you have to pay for one, they really should shoot better out of the box. i never liked the hangers that they have or the very slow lock time. I would guess close to RB lock times and maybe a little faster than 1874's. I do like RB's and have 3 of them but, I did not pay 12 or 13 hundred for them.

That said, I think that I recall back in the mid 80's that someone started making a strikers for them. If they had a striker and the hanger was thrown away, I might develop a interest in one but, I'm sure that it would add at least a aditional $500 to one and then the barrel and then a good forearm and then a offhand butt stock and then if I could only find a frame, lever and lower tang to start a project.

Please don't take this as Ruger bashing they are pretty guns and I do own 3 Ruger revolvers, Single Six, Black Hawk and a Red Hawk and I love them. I just think that you have to pay to much to get a starting platform.

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Reply #9 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 8:11am
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Main drawback to any Ruger in competition is the barrel. 20+ years High Power Silhouette never saw one that would shoot from the factory. They are right behind the guy who shows up with his M1A that's a world beater. and can't hit a target with it.

Ones I have seen in Schuetzen rebarreled and re-stocked shoot very well.

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Reply #10 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 12:50pm
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I had a 25-06 that was pretty much box stock, played with forend bedding and slapped a 6-24x50 Tasco I pirated off another gun and got .75MOA with nothing else.  I'd like to whoop the guy that stole it if I can ever find him.  Great shooter, I will own another down the line.
  
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Reply #11 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 6:44pm
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NBY,
I've had the same experience with my Ruger # 1's. they always seem to shoot under an inch. I do have some tuned up ones that will usually shoot half inch and sometimes less, the cost was not all that much when compared to other single shot rifles. Here's what I did.

It's not hard to find a  nice used Ruger # 1 Rifle for around $ 550., put in a decent adjustable three screw trigger, about  $ 75. installed,  put in a speed hammer and spring, $ 60. installed, put on a good Douglas barrel for about  $ 325.,  you now have about $ 1000. into a rifle that if you do your part should shoot under an inch, you should have no problem selling the original factory barrel for about $ 75., and get about $ 40. for an original factory hammer, that will bring your cost down to about $ 875. / 885., even if your gunsmith pushes you to the $ 1000. mark because of ?  it would still be ok, try doing that with a High Wall or most any other good rifle, I think you will be well over the  $ 1000. mark.  

Some seem to think that the problem with the # 1 is the hanger, a good gunsmith will use that hanger to tune the barrel for a very high degree of accuracy.  The Ruger # 1 guys over at the Ruger # 1 Group at   (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)  have been having a shoot every year since 2005 for # 1's only,  they have four different category's that range from the small bores ( 22  Cal ) on up to the big bores ( 45-70 Cal ).

 Some of the guys in that group have written some very good articles on how to squeeze the last bit of accuracy out of a # 1 and are always experimenting with different things to improve it even more. The articles are archived in the Files section of the group for all to read and comment on.

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Reply #12 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 6:47pm
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They keep very good records on the accuracy and winning scores and group sizes for each category. Pictures of the record targets are in the files section of the group, I just checked and it's un-believable what some of these guys can do with a # 1 that has been put together for accuracy by a gunsmith that knows how to work on single shots.

A lot of the groups in the smaller calibers are in the low 3's and the medium calibers are in the mid 4's. (  jacketed bullets as they don't have any restrictions on ammo ) the record for the big bore stuff like 45-70's is 1.55 inch, this is the average for 10 shots and was shot with lead bullets.

The 32 Miller Short that I was working with last summer with swaged lead bullets was shooting on average in the mid to high 3's, with a few groups in the low 3's and a few groups were in the low 4's for 5 shots.  I have $ 1100.
in that gun because of the trigger.
I think it will do better but I ran out of nice weather for testing, will be back at it this spring and summer.
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Reply #13 - Feb 13th, 2011 at 7:21pm
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joeb33050 wrote on Feb 12th, 2011 at 7:44am:
I have had very poor luck having Rugers built as SS target rifles in the past. It seems that there are few Ruger SS rifles being campaigned in matches; and those have been greatly modified. I also don't think much of the Ruger design.
I'd like to hear that I'm wrong, that someone has learned how to make Rugers shoot.
Anybody?
Thanks;
joe b.


  Joe B.,
You say,
I have had very poor luck having Rugers built as SS target rifles in the past. 

What kind of accuracy do you want or need from a  # 1, or any other single shot that has a two piece stock  ?.

I also don't think much of the Ruger design.

What is it you don't like about the # 1 design, is there some other design that you think is much better that the Ruger ?.

Let us know about these things and maybe we can find out what went wrong with the ones you had built in the past.
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Reply #14 - Feb 14th, 2011 at 1:06am
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In my area (Oregon) I haven't seen a #1 under $995 in the last two years. I was just at a gun show yesterday and it still holds true. Most ran $1100/1295. I admit that I couldn't have seen them all, it was a big gun show but, single shots do catch my eye.

The rebuild above doesn't get the lock time close to a speed lock on a exposed hammer gun (Hi Wall, 44, 44 1/2, Ballard types), that can be done with a new spring ($20) and a file. It also makes the #1 just a straight bench gun and not a combo BR/OH rifle. Lock time isn't as important on bench guns as it in OH.

Also, as I remember, the hanger limits the barrel size on the breech end, especially if you you want a octagon barrel.

Do any of the old timers on the forum remember the striker breech block in the mid 80's?

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