Do any of the High Wall experts here know of the factory Swiss stocks producted by Winchester?

There is one in my area that was made in 1893 and has Cody paper work.

Frank

Mike,
This gun is a 1885, pistol grip, SST, color cased, with a loosely Swiss style butt stock. It has a cheek piece but, not in a Tyrolian style, it has, what I would call, a heavy American/Swiss style hooked butt plate, Swiss/German style checkering and a distinctive round scalloped wood grip cap for the pistol grip. It is a half octagon barrel in 38/55.

Best I can do to discribe it,

Frank

Brian, I can't remember for sure but, I think it has a dovetail cut but w/o the sight in it.

Frank

GF,
It has just the regualar S shaped single trigger lever. The one picture of a Helms that I have in Grants book (picture H) doesn't look like the butt plate. The upper tang is longer, almost the same lenght of the lower but, curves up like a Helms. 

I'll try to get a picture posted in a day or two. I think it's a very unique factory gun.

Frank

Kurt,
No it's nothing like that picture. It might have been craved from the same PG blank but nothing like anything that I've seen. Apparently it was a model that Winchester sold in 1893 though.

I'm off to take a picture of it. Will post it later today.

Frank

Frank, 

Beautiful 1885 Schuetzen!! 

The stock and plate appear to follow the "Laudensack" style, though it appears to have somewhat less drop than normal. In "The Winchester Book" by Madis, you'll find a picture of a Schuetzen ser#111614, that is a full octagon takedown, but has the standard lever with a single set trigger and no palm rest like the one you provided pictures of. 

Looks like someone may have had the money to spend and got it made their way. 

Thanks for sharing the photos!

Brian

SS,
I don't think the wood is savable. That bolt going through the wrist is to keep the stock attached to the tangs and to hold the broken piece in. The fore arm is also broken. I didn't take a close shot of it, it's preety standard Win with the ebony piece missing. The barrel is savable and has a dent in one corner of the octagon. The sight has problems, too.

Frank

SS,
The Cody paper on it says that it left the Winchester factory as a Swiss model. Have the guys you've talked to ever seen or heard of a "Swiss" model? I sure haven't but am not that knowlegeable and only have a few books on single shots. I collect everything single shot, shooting and accuracy were alway my main area of interest and not collecting orginals.

I think it's a real bit of Winchester 1885 history. I posted it here, hoping someone would know of this model and get it into someones hands that could do the job of restoring it right. If I were younger and had more time and money, I'd have new stocks made EXACTLY like it has in high end wood. Polish the barrel back and the bore is very good to excellent (it's dirty right now and no pits showing) and I think it could be lap to "as new" but, would have to be cleaned first to tell for sure.

Frank