ASSRA Forum - Newbie needs some definitions please.

ASSRA Forum › General › Reloading the Single Shot Rifle › Newbie needs some definitions please.

(Moderator Group: Moderator)

‹ Previous Topic | Next Topic ›

Page Index Toggle

Pages: [1] 2

Hot Topic (More than 10 Replies)

Newbie needs some definitions please. (Read 8786 times)

Hold Center Participating Member Offline Posts: 36 Location: Florida Joined: Jan 14^th, 2007	Newbie needs some definitions please. Dec 24^th, 2010 at 2:37pm	Print Post
	I'm pondering my first mould purchase and getting set up. Can someone please define details meant by the following terms that are used as follows? 1. Spitzer bullet 2. Spire point bullet 3. Saeco bullet 4. Pope bullet 5. Base vs. nose pour mould. Thank you and Merry Christmas to all. This site is great for education and great assistance to newbies. Bill


	IP Logged

boats Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 7542 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: Newbie needs some definitions please. Reply #1 - Dec 25^th, 2010 at 6:17am	Print Post
	I will give it a try. You guys correct me if wrong. Spitzer = pointed It was the German name for pointed bullets Spire = pointed too but not as much Spire was what the English called the German bullet Saeco = mold maker they make all sorts of bullet molds Pope = Harry Popes design. It's more rounded and tapered for breech seating. All the bullets better to look at pictures I can see a Pope and know it right away. Hard to put it into words. Base pour = molds that have the fill hole on the base side. Most common way to make a mold bottoms are larger than tops and allow more room to pour lead Nose pour = molds that fill from the nose end. Idea is the base is most important for good performance on target nose less so. Nose pours using a smaller hole are slower to cast with. Boats


	IP Logged

westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11451 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Newbie needs some definitions please. Reply #2 - Dec 25^th, 2010 at 6:30am	Print Post
	You get an A and a gold star Boats. The one I dont get is ( base band bullet ). Joe.

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
	IP Logged

boats Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 7542 Location: Virginia Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2004	Re: Newbie needs some definitions please. Reply #3 - Dec 25^th, 2010 at 6:37am	Print Post
	Joe Not sure about that one either. I can give it a definition based on my usual disclaimer. Half of what I come up with is pure BS other half is useful, you figure out which. Boats


	IP Logged

colo native Oldtimer Offline Posts: 760 Location: Barren Ridge, Va Joined: Dec 27^th, 2007	Re: Newbie needs some definitions please. Reply #4 - Dec 25^th, 2010 at 8:05am	Print Post
	Plain base, not machined for gass check or small 45 degree angle for ease of loading, which is like a small boat tail. Some very old molds cast a some what hollow base as well as a healed base. some more bs (like Boats) but thats my story...


	IP Logged

colo native Oldtimer Offline Posts: 760 Location: Barren Ridge, Va Joined: Dec 27^th, 2007	Re: Newbie needs some definitions please. Reply #5 - Dec 25^th, 2010 at 8:10am	Print Post
	Almost forgot, at a point in time I had a mold that was cast with a tit on the base, after the cast a zinc washer was fixed to the base, kind aw gass ck...dont remember what it was for...


	IP Logged

Green_Frog Frequent Elocutionist Offline "It ain't easy being green" ASSRA Life #281 Posts: 4017 Location: Lynchburg, VA Joined: Apr 18^th, 2004	Re: Newbie needs some definitions please. Reply #6 - Dec 25^th, 2010 at 8:26am	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Dec 25^th, 2010 at 6:30am: You get an A and a gold star Boats. The one I dont get is ( base band bullet ). Joe. Joe, From what I gathered at Charlie Dell's shop, during various bench sessions after shoots, the base band bullet is sort of like a stop ring bullet but with the large band in the rear. A technique for producing such a mould would be to take a gas check design and open up the check groove and the last ring to a diameter slightly larger than the upper rings, so you get a very positive seal when breech seating. This may not be the definition of a base band bullet, but that was what we used there to name this style of bullet. Hope this helps and Merry Christmas! Froggie


	IP Logged

Cat_Whisperer Frequent Elocutionist Offline No 1, 9.3x74R Posts: 3877 Location: Mountains of Virginia Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: Newbie needs some definitions please. Reply #7 - Dec 27^th, 2010 at 2:25pm	Print Post
	colo native wrote on Dec 25^th, 2010 at 8:10am: Almost forgot, at a point in time I had a mold that was cast with a tit on the base, after the cast a zinc washer was fixed to the base, kind aw gass ck...dont remember what it was for... YUP. Was it Harvey? Have 3 of 'em. Zinc was a scraper to keep the bore clean. ADDED: see fig 13: (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
	« Last Edit: Dec 28^th, 2010 at 8:54am by Cat_Whisperer »
	Cat Whisperer (trk) Chief of Smoke Pulaski Coehorn Works and Skunk Works Drafted May 1970, Retired Maj. U.S.Army assra #9885
	WWW IP Logged

toolmkr Full Member Offline Posts: 130 Joined: Aug 11^th, 2009	Re: Newbie needs some definitions please. Reply #8 - Dec 27^th, 2010 at 3:02pm	Print Post
	colo-native Sounds like a bore cleaner bullet used during the War of Northen Aggression to me.


	IP Logged

38_Cal Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2247 Location: Montezuma, Iowa Joined: Apr 27^th, 2005	Re: Newbie needs some definitions please. Reply #9 - Dec 27^th, 2010 at 7:47pm	Print Post
	Named after a guy with an invisible rabbit... David

	David Kaiser Montezuma, IA
	IP Logged

joeb33050 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2613 Location: Marathon, FL Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: Newbie needs some definitions please. Reply #10 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 6:56am	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Dec 25^th, 2010 at 6:30am: You get an A and a gold star Boats. The one I dont get is ( base band bullet ). Joe. In Pembroke MA from 1970 to 2000 a base band bullet was one where the base band sealed the bore/grooves. Almost synonymous with Pope bullet. joe b.


	IP Logged

westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11451 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Newbie needs some definitions please. Reply #11 - Dec 28^th, 2010 at 8:34pm	Print Post
	Over the years at matches and BS sessions I've heard that base band bullet term so many times I tend to ignore it. There is a correct definition. A bullet with an enlarged base works for me. History can be a slippery devil. Joe.
	« Last Edit: Dec 28^th, 2010 at 8:39pm by westerner »
	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
	IP Logged

frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7262 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Newbie needs some definitions please. Reply #12 - Dec 29^th, 2010 at 5:29pm	Print Post
	Joe, If you want to find out all about base band bullets, from the horse's mouth. Read Mann's book, "The Bullets Fight". I built two molds from his info. A paper patch 38 caliber for my slug gun and my 22rf bullet that I breech seat. Frank

	ASSRA Member #696, ISSA Member #339
	YIM AIM IP Logged

westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11451 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Newbie needs some definitions please. Reply #13 - Dec 29^th, 2010 at 8:17pm	Print Post
	I read that book cover to cover once. Hardly any of it soaked in. It wasnt nearly as bad as Precision Shooting, after all it had old rifles in it. I didnt mean bad, I meant. I meant, well, I just cant read that stuff. Put's me to sleep. Joe.

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
	IP Logged

frnkeore Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 7262 Location: Central Point, OR 97502 Joined: Jun 16^th, 2010	Re: Newbie needs some definitions please. Reply #14 - Dec 29^th, 2010 at 8:28pm	Print Post
	Joe, I agree but, some of the stuff in it is very interesting. I loved the stuff about his range, the base band bullet and his V-block machine rest. It's been a very long time since I've looked through it, I should look at it again if just to look at the pic's. He certainly had the money to try anything. Kind of the Howard Hughes of shooting. Frank

	ASSRA Member #696, ISSA Member #339
	YIM AIM IP Logged

Page Index Toggle

Pages: [1] 2

‹ Previous Topic | Next Topic ›

« Board Index ‹ Board Top

Top

ASSRA Forum » Powered by YaBB 2.6.12!
YaBB Forum Software © 2000-2024. All Rights Reserved.

Valid XHTML

Valid CSS

Powered by Perl

Source Forge

Page completed in 1.0757 seconds.