Hello Tool Maker:

 That is a very nice rifle and I thank you for bringing the potential sale to our collective attentions.

 I do, however, take exception to the Seller using the national flag of the United States of America as a " table cloth ".  I am a U.S. "Honorably Discharged" Veteran who served underneath that flag, at great risk, as many other Comrades in arms did,     and I find it degrading and grossly disrespectful to have someone treat our flag as a promotional table cloth.  

Creedmoormatch

Remove the forearm and look at the face of the receiver. That should give the model number.   I believe it to be either a Model 45 or a standard Ideal sporting rifle.  Either could be ordered with a hard rubber shotgun buttplate.  No major issue for me as the inbred idiot refuses to honor a C&R licence in California (where there is no restriction or state requirement on selling, buying shipping or receiving C&R long guns).
Leon

Leon,

The english styled 45 I examined (some time ago) was confirmed by examining the stamping on the receiver. Caliber was 32-40 with the Stags Head plate, and the barrel was rapid taper. The configuration actually provided a very handy finished weight for a full width action to be used for hunting.

Steve,

I have no idea on production numbers for the 044 1/2, but don't forget that the 56 shared the same narrowed frame.

Regards,
BP

Mad Mike,

You're absolutely right! Guess I'm not making myself clear, and my apologies for the confusion.

The 32-40 chambered english styled rifle that I examined was a #45 - a full frame width variant of the standard 44 1/2 - so it of course had the large barrel shank appropriate for the larger caliber chambering. 

The #45 rifle I examined was not the narrowed frame 044 1/2 with the smaller barrel shank, but a full width frame rifle that was configured/styled along the lines of the 044 1/2 English model.

BP

PS: I'll have to check the books but I think I recall that the narrow frame #56 was also available with the hard rubber Stags Head plate found on the 044 1/2 as an option to the small swiss.

i have an original 044 1/2 in 25/20 ssthat shoots great{1" at 100yds. only problem previous owner drilled and taped the barrel for scope blocks  thanks art

I have an 044-1/2 in .22-15-60 Stevens centerfire.  It has the shotgun stag buttplate and regular barrel sights.  In my experience they (in any condition or state of modification) are very rarely seen.  All the ones I have seen have been the plain field grade, except for an action which was recase-hardened and bent for a pistol grip.  That one probably wasn't factory work.

My 56 Ladies Model does use the narrow 044 1/2 frame.

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PS: I'll have to check the books but I think I recall that the narrow frame #56 was also available with the hard rubber Stags Head plate found on the 044 1/2 as an option to the small swiss.


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The scope is a Stevens 455. Its not as long as the barrel, but since there is no provision for a front sight, the scope is original to the rifle. I have to confess its been 30 years since I've shot most of my Stevens, although I do remember all of them shot very well. That 56 is in .25RF. I also have one in 22LR and another in 25/20SS. You may be interested to know that despite it not being mentioned in the Stevens catalogs, 56s were available with many custom features. My .22 has a cheek piece and DSTs. Jim Goergen has one with DSTs and a Steven-Pope barrel!

You're welcome. Since you are interested in Ladies rifles these are some that I own.
This first is the 56 in 22LR:
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This is the 56 in 25/20SS:
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This is a very early 21. Note how the whole barrel is exposed:
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This next one is an early 55:
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This is a latter 55 which is defined by the radius in the corner of the action:
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It has a rare Pope windage sight:
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This last one is probably the rarest in that it is a DLX Favorite. I only know of one other:
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All of them except the Favorite have Swiss buttplates. It has a curved rubber one marked "Favorite" in a ribbon.

As usual I continue to rely on my once photograpic memory...it now is often wrong.

Very nice rifles!
What frame were the #55 Lady Models made on?

Steve

The 21 and 55s were both made on Favorite frames. The 56 was the only one made on a different frame. The wording of your question also points out an interesting point which was that Stevens could not settle on a name. In various catalog incarnations they used both "Lady" model and "Ladies" model

BP wrote on Aug 7^th, 2010 at 6:08pm:


BP,

     Like Joel, my photographic memory is getting a little blurry.  "Momma don't take my Kodachrome..." etc.  However, to the best of my limited memory, the replacement stems (indeed the whole sight assemblies) became available fairly late, so would be only on the a-type sights unless somebody just put one of the windage stems on an earlier base.  You could check the Lyman Journal and/or the Stroebel books for a more definitive answer.

Froggie

PS  The giveaways on Joel's were the Lyman knurled barrel on the sight as well as the adjusting knob for windage.  Both are quite different on the Pope sight.  GF

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Green One,
Always interesting how we each key in on different features to rapidly identify items. On Lyman tang sights, my eyes always look first at the construction of joint mechanism. 
I've never seen a 47 stem shown in the sales literature with the earlier #1/#2 bases, but only with the 1A/2A series.
There is a Pope pictured on the front cover of Stroebels "Old Gunsights" book, positioned in front of the Win Mid-Range boxed set.

Joel,
I think the general pattern was that the 55's had threaded barrel shanks, while the 21's were smooth slip-in shanks, though I seem to recall that JJ Grant noted there were 1 or 2 exceptions to this. 
And I believe your wife gave you an astute answer. 

Regards,
BP

Joel,

You're right. With Stevens, it seems that there are exceptions to the exceptions! 

Really nice 47!! 
As far as the 104 sight goes, I consider it to be more user friendly to make adjustments (when they are tight of course). 
The Pope is a nice sight, but if you loose the adjusting pin (the ones I've seen looked like a straight eye fishhook that had the bend and barb snipped off), you can be kinda SOL unless you remembered to bring a spare, or have a small dia pin punch in the kit.