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Re: 40/63 Ballard loads
Reply #15 - Jun 20th, 2010 at 9:18pm
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The 40-63 and the 40-70 are two cartridges that have identical length and outside dimensions, so are listed together. The 40-63 is actually just a heavier-case version of the 40-70 factory cartridge. Both are, in turn, an outgrowth of the original 40-65 Ballard Everlasting case, which had to be handloaded. The 40-63 and 40-70 were first listed for the Ballard Perfection No. 4 and Pacific No. 5 after the Marlin Fire Arms Co. took over manufacture of these rifles in 1881. 

Lyman 403149 (330gr) 1:20 or 1:30
IMR 4198  - 22gr
1310 fps
1260 Energy
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Re: 40/63 Ballard loads
Reply #16 - Jun 20th, 2010 at 10:27pm
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Frank,
I've never shot straight smokeless in a Ballard .40-63, but a friend loads 20.0gr. XMP-5744 behind a 325gr. bullet in his - no wads, no fillers.

Call me a wimp, but I'm scared of 4198 in a Ballard, too. If I were seriously considering smokeless loads for that cartridge/action combo, I wouldn't look beyond SR-4759 and XMP-5744...

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Reply #17 - Jun 20th, 2010 at 11:28pm
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Thank you very much. I don't have 5744 but, i have lots of 4759. Will a 20gr charge of 4759 be ok to start with?
  

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Reply #18 - Jun 20th, 2010 at 11:47pm
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Gerald Kelver published several .40-70 loads using SR-4759 in his various single shot books ---- 19.8gr. behind a 346gr. bullet and 19.6gr. behind a 335gr. bullet - both with cork wads.

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Re: 40/63 Ballard loads
Reply #19 - Jun 21st, 2010 at 12:05am
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Thank you again.
  

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Re: 40/63 Ballard loads
Reply #20 - Jun 21st, 2010 at 8:14am
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As strange as that sounds today, .40-63 must've been a  very, very popular cartridge for Ballard. I wish that I had kept track of the statistics, but I'm fairly certain that it has been the most common chambering I've run into for several of the "Norway" steel forged-frame Ballard sporting rifles. - Pacifics, #1 1/2s, #4s.

Back in the days when Ballards would turn up much more frequently at gun shows (1970s), the number of .40-63s appearing seemed far higher than the .38-55s and the .45-70s - at least to my eyes. .40-63s seemed to sell for a bit less, too - because of the problems of finding brass for 'em.

.40-63 doesn't seem to be a particularly finicky cartridge to load for. My shootin' buddies and I have not found a .40-63 Ballard with a perfect chamber and bore that couldn't be made to shoot fairly well with a variety of bullet weights and load components. I have other rifles/cartridges that distinctly favor a certain set of loading components, and will torment you until you find it!  Wink

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Re: 40/63 Ballard loads
Reply #21 - Jun 23rd, 2010 at 11:37am
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The 40-63 is a favorite of mine. I even made brass out of 30-06 back in the days. I threaded the head soldered a washer on it and trimmed to size to fit the chamber. The .477 head size was a key factor in choosing the 30-06. Oh! and the length. A lot of work but I made it go. The 40 size was a proprietary head size that was discontinued early on. So in the years we had to fabricate what we could. All the chambers I have ever run into were very uniform. I'm now fiddling with the 40-90-3 1/16 or as some have called it the 40 -90  Ideal everlasting. My favorite load for the 40-63 was 6(bulk) 4759 and 60(bulk) 1F black using a 370 grain swedged paper patched bullet. Obviously a duplex load.
40's were cheap in the 60's and 70's as previously stated because of brass. But the good thing was that all the reloading tools for them were cheap too, even molds.
I think the heritage of the 40-63 goes:
40-60 Ballard, 40-65 Ballard, 40-70 Ballard, 40-63 Ballard. The 40-60 is a very early short lived cartridge. I have a 4 1/2 with mint bore in this chambering. A very neat and rare rifle. But I have never found out just what the bullet weight was. It's 1/20 like all 40's by Marlin. I'm assuming 265 paper patched.
1 in 20 was a standard that Marlin used in all their 40 and 45 caliber Ballards.  Factory bullet weight is 330 grain but I have used the factory weight, 370 grain bullet for the 40-90, in the 40-63 with great success. My 40-63 is an A1 Mid Range.
sorry for rambling on but I do favor the 40's.
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Re: 40/63 Ballard loads
Reply #22 - Jun 23rd, 2010 at 11:41am
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PS Grant still owes me some brass in 40-63. Kinda doubt it'll show up... Grin I conversed with Grant and Kelver many moons ago. Always was intregued by their conversations. Both were gentlemen.
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Re: 40/63 Ballard loads
Reply #23 - Jun 23rd, 2010 at 12:09pm
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Hey Rusty...about those uniform .40-63 chambers.... Smiley

When I ran out of berdan primers, I gave some of the berdan cases I'd been shooting in my 1 1/2 to a friend with a nice .40-63 Pacific. The YoYo didn't think about chamber differences and this is what happened to most of 'em:
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His SN was lower than mine. They must've sharpened the chambering reamer a lot between his and mine!  Smiley

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Re: 40/63 Ballard loads
Reply #24 - Jun 24th, 2010 at 10:34am
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Are you absolutely positive those weren't 40-70 Winchester cases? Also noted brittle cases so were these made into something else then shot in a 40-63 chamber? And is the chamber actually a 40-63 and not a 40-65 Ballard chamber? How many times has this brass been fired with mercuric primers making them brittle?
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Re: 40/63 Ballard loads
Reply #25 - Jun 24th, 2010 at 2:27pm
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Too many decades have passed, but I don't think they had ever been fired until I acquired 'em. I fired 'em dozens and dozens of times each in my .40-63. That supply was my go-to brass for my 1 1/2 in .40-63 when proper-size primers were available. None have any headstamp, but they were a snug fit in my .40-63 chamber - so I assumed them to be .40-63. They obviously weren't snug in his .40-63!  Smiley  The .40-70 brass for a Hepburn I shoot rattles around in the .40-63 chamber, so I don't think I'm mistaken about this.

I just asked him where his is marked for cal. or cartridge - on the extractor and bottom of the barrel ahead of the forend. Mine is marked .40-63 only on the extractor.

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Re: 40/63 Ballard loads
Reply #26 - Feb 7th, 2016 at 1:27pm
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I’m reviving an old one -  I happened on this thread while poking around a bit for Black Powder load data since I’m about to load my first black powder for this cartridge.     I was surprised to find that without compression I’m only getting 53gr of OE in a case that has .475 of the bullet seated with .60 wad… for a total of .535.   I’ll start with no compression and work upward from there.    I have not shot any black powder in this one, and not much at all really in anything.   Just getting a start there.       These will be with a 355gr bullet.     Too bad I don’t have any place close to air it out where I am now.   

Frank (if you are watching this),  you may have shared how things went in another thread but I’d love to hear how your shooting turned out.      I tried both 4759 and 4198 in mine.     I use filler in my reduced loads but I won’t do it in old Black Powder chambers.     Same with a wad since you always have the danger of it falling down to rest over the powder.   

My best load so far with a 340gr FN bullet and WLRP was 21.3gr of 4198 @ 1349fps.   It was a little faster than I was aiming for but pressures (according to Sherman Bell and some others) are comparable with Black Powder pressures at that velocity.     I shot last summer out to 960yds with that and had great results, especially considering the bullet selection I had at the time.    It was dinger ringing so can’t say more than what that tells you.

This target was from when I was looking for the load. 
  

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Re: 40/63 Ballard loads
Reply #27 - Feb 8th, 2016 at 12:51pm
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I bought 40-70 Sharps Straight brass reformed from 30-40 Krag from Buffalo Arms for my Pacific #5.  The bullet mold is stamped 40-70 SS and drops at 317 gr and .406 in 30:1.  The case head is a little undersized and I probably should have fireformed them first, but I just cut them to length and loaded them with a full case of 2F and enough compression to cover the grease grooves.  Accuracy is as good as I can manage with the Rocky Mountain sights.
  
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Reply #28 - Feb 8th, 2016 at 1:17pm
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I settled on Hornady 405 cases.   Cut them to length, fireformed them and then inside neck reamed to allow as close to groove diameter as I could chamber (.410).    

My Hornady cases start out with a neck wall thickness greater than .012;  chambering a .410 bullet would require about .010 or under wall thickness.    

Now that I've been through the process a couple iterations for the 200 cases I would turn the brass instead of inside neck reaming them.    The Forster bit and trimmer only allow a depth of just so far.  I thought the shoulder left inside was close to .500 deep but after a couple firings it looks more like .475.   That ledge inside the case can be problematic if trying to seat deeper.   Turning the outside would have given more control over that depth.

I enjoyed the learning experience.    I’m hoping to get John at 21st Century to cut a case holder for the .405 rim since I think I can still turn these and make them an easy chamber affair.    His case turning tool is a nice product to work with.   

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Re: 40/63 Ballard loads
Reply #29 - Feb 8th, 2016 at 1:35pm
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I never did pursue loads with mine. Mostly because I didn't want to mount a scope on the original barrel.

I used 9.3 x 74R RWS cases.

My only load was 10.0 gr Unique. As I remember (scarey) it grouped about 5" @ 200

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