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Looking for rifle recommendations
Jun 6th, 2010 at 11:36am
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I enjoy shooting my Stevens 414 .22lr. real nice rifle and the ammo is cheap. But I also want something with a bit more pop. My only other rifle experience is with a 30-06. I am reading about .222 and .22 hornet rifles. Any recommendations for (not to expensive) rifles that might complement the 414 with a bigger cartridge? Thanks
  
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Re: Looking for rifle recommendations
Reply #1 - Jun 6th, 2010 at 12:59pm
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A lot depends on what your needs and intentions are. 
   For any sort of target competition you have to fit it into the rules and practicalities of the specific game. 
   If you are going to hunt with it, it'll depend on the game and expected environment. 

Another factor is your willingness/ability to reload. Reloading opens a whole new level of potential accuracy and power,  but it also creates  new levels of complexity and expense.

If we knew a bit more we might be able to give you better information about possible options.

for casual shooting some of the less intense rimmed cartridges like the hornet would probably work fine. Though it has a reputation for a lack gilt-edge accuracy in some rifles, it seems to work well in others.  I have one on a BSA Cadet Martini that is both accurate and a joy to shoot---and so far all I have used is factory loads.

Another possibility is the 17 hmr round,   basically a 22 rf mg necked down to 17 cal.  It has proven to be an excellent little varmint control round.  I have it in one of the little savage "stevens favorite-alike" single shots.  As came from the factory it is a bit rough and has a very heavy trigger pull that only a liability lawyer would like.  with some better wood, a little work and a trigger job it'd be a great little rifle at a relatively low cost.  seems like they might have made 22 hornet version as well. 

you might look in the classified section on the site here and see if anything catches your interest.
  

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Reply #2 - Jun 6th, 2010 at 2:31pm
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Thanks. I am just doing some informal indoor target shooting. No competition rules to factor into the mix. I don't see reloading in the near future, though. I just don't get to shoot that much. And mostly I shoot the 414 and a .22 Ruger revolver.  I actually have a lot more experience with Black powder - .54 Hawken Buffalo Rifle and .44 Ruger Old Army. I've had to move indoors and I'm kinda new to bullets.  I'll be watching the classified here for sure. Can you point me in a direction to learn more about the rifle you mention - savage "stevens favorite-alike" single shots? thanks again.
  
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Reply #3 - Jun 6th, 2010 at 6:49pm
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then click on the "single shot series"

I got my 17 hmr a few years back, I don;t know if they still offer it or not.  and mine needs some work to have an acceptable (to me at least) trigger pull.

you might also keep your eyes open on the classifieds for one of the BSA Cadets that is chambered for one of the more modest centerfire cartridges,  22 hornet, 32-20, maybe 38 special or something like that.
  

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Reply #4 - Jun 6th, 2010 at 7:16pm
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Thanks. I was not familiar with BSA. I really like the looks of them.
  
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Re: Looking for rifle recommendations
Reply #5 - Jun 6th, 2010 at 8:45pm
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If you want to move up for some more bang in your rifle shooting, you might look at the CPA copies of the Stevens 44 1/2, the ultimate Stevens single shot.  A basic sporter configuration in the ubiquitous .30-30 could be shot outdoors with factory loads to your heart's content (or your check book's limits) and then you could do some very simple hand loading with the Lee hand loading tool that's been around for years and even make up some gallery loads to shoot it indoors.  Does that sound like what you were talking about?

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Reply #6 - Jun 6th, 2010 at 8:50pm
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look down about 5 or 6 threads in this "single shot rifle" section.  someone has posted a lead to a BSA in 22 hornet for sale.  if it is all good the price sounds reasonable to me-----just going by the description posted
  

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Reply #7 - Jun 6th, 2010 at 10:23pm
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There are decent Stevens 44 guns out there in mild centerfire calibers that are still available. I have one in .32-20 that is a lot of fun. The nice thing about the CPA 44 i/2 repo's it that you can get additional barrels in various calibers later on. The Martini is also a fun gun. Lots of good options that are reasonably priced.
  
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Reply #8 - Jun 7th, 2010 at 5:56am
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Just for perspective:   Most of the used 44s in decent shootable shape In the low power center fire  (32-30, 25-20 win and their ilk) that I've seen here in the upper midwest run in the 800-1000 range.  Depending on condition and sights---I'm talking good clean bores and good working condition.  22rfs may be a couple hundred less---usually relined--but he already has a 22.   
  I've seen relatively few CPAa and the few I've seen are usually in reloadable larger calibres, or are project guns.  the last one I saw was on a table at EG at the spring shoot,  It was in a  wildcat, cut down 30-30  and the asking was 1400 as I recall--however it was a complete outfit, cases moulds etc.  It was a great starter set for someone interested in ASSRA competition.  they are a great rifle but not cheap, though one can easily get additional stocks, barrels etc to build up a "system" for one basic action.
Centerfire small BSAs are pretty much catch-as-catch-can.  22rfs are more common.  they all do tend to be a bit less expensive.  the 32-20 conversion linked to was the best appearing deal I've seen in a while--at least on the surface appearance.  However they are a hammerless, non-traditional looking action which may or may not be a factor
  

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Re: Looking for rifle recommendations
Reply #9 - Jun 7th, 2010 at 8:16pm
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Converting a rimfire small Martini to centerfire is not a big deal once the mechanics of the system are understood.  32-20 is an easy caliber to build them in, either for fixed or breechseated bullets.  Same with .357 Mag. or .32 Miller Short.  I would recommend going with the thick sided versions, such as the 12/15.

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Reply #10 - Jun 7th, 2010 at 8:35pm
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Thanks for all the suggestions. this gives me a great head start as I research options. I will continue to investigate the BSA rifles. I am really intrigued by those. And I'm already a big fan of Stevens/Savage; so investigating the 44 and 44 1/2 models will be high on the list too. The CPA copies of the 44 1/2 look great; however $2000 for a new one is a bit more than I want to spend. 

Thanks again. Big help!
  
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Re: Looking for rifle recommendations
Reply #11 - Jun 9th, 2010 at 9:04pm
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I noticed you mentioned you're doing indoor informal target shooting. I think any of the cartridges mentioned would be either off limits, or dangerous for indoor shooting at most any range. 
If your interest is to buy a rifle caliber that's safe and legal for indoor ranges, then you need to look at centerfire pistol calibers like maybe  a .32-20 or .38 Special. Not typical "target" calibers in the competitive sense, but much better choices for a bit more bang indoors.
  

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Reply #12 - Jun 10th, 2010 at 10:03am
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Thanks. We went to the range last night. I took a look at what others were shooting. I believe your suggested options would do the trick and not cost a fortune for ammo. Along with the .22 rifles, we were shooting a .38 special pistol and it was plenty for the range. 

Some others were shooting huge stuff and it was too much horsepower for the space.
  
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Re: Looking for rifle recommendations
Reply #13 - Jun 10th, 2010 at 12:31pm
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A low-wall or BSA Cadet in 357 mag would allow use of light 38 special loads for indoor target shooting and still have enough power with the right bullet for small game outdoors.  I'm not sure but think that a stevens 44 could handle it as well; but I'd check with someone much more knowledgeable for that

I think Browning chambers their new version of the lo-wall in that calibre.  I've seen several originals re-rifled and rechambered for it---even had one myself at one time.  I had Harry McGowan re rifle it.  It was a rework of a 32-20 with a really bad bore.  turned into a dandy little fun rifle.  even took a couple deer with 357s in it---close up shots in the brush using 158 gr jacketed flat points.
  

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Reply #14 - Jun 10th, 2010 at 10:05pm
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I would not recomend a Stevens 44 for the .357 Mag. A Stevens 44 1/2 would be fine. I have been thinking about building a 44 1/2 in .327 Magnum. This would also shoot .32 Mag and .32 S&W.
  
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