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underwatermike
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Original Low Wall project
May 17th, 2010 at 10:29pm
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Brought my new baby home today, Winchester Low Wall circa 1893. Good news- wood is beautiful (forend was modified for a bull round barrel though), action is tight with original blue hanging in there at 90% (someone put this thing away for a long time), serial #, pat. date and corners still sharp. Bad news- some one hung a bull .22 rimfire barrel on it and then chambered it in .22 Hornet. Noooooooo! Oh well, since I found this marked as "junk" in a local shop for $400 I am well ahead of the game. Reline and go shoot!
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Re: Original Low Wall project
Reply #1 - May 17th, 2010 at 11:14pm
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Welcome to the insanity, Mike.  Most early .22 Hornets used rimfire or rimfire dimensioned barrels...this is why you find Hornet-specific jacketed bullets in both .223" and .224".  If the bore is good, and you don't want to cast bullets for it right away, load for it with the .223" sized bullets...after you slug the bore to make sure what you have.   

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Re: Original Low Wall project
Reply #2 - May 18th, 2010 at 1:36am
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I have an early Stevens Walnut Hill factory .22 Hornet with .223 barrel. Use .223 bullets with no problem.
  
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Re: Original Low Wall project
Reply #3 - May 18th, 2010 at 1:40am
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Welcome to the forum Mike.T   
Just so you dont get off on the wrong foot here, it's a forum rule that you must post pictures of your new jewel baby rifle. 400.00, 400.000 doesnt matter, rules are rules.  Wink

If the bore is good in that rifle and it was mine I'd just have to give it a try before relining. And plus since I never had a .22 Hornet really makes me interested in your rifle. That little lowall will be safe with light loads. If Green Frog chimes in and says it wont be safe dont listen to him. He's one of the big troublemakers on this forum and he hardly ever posts pictures.   Grin

                    

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Re: Original Low Wall project
Reply #4 - May 18th, 2010 at 6:37am
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Westerner, I resemble that remark!   
1) the .22 Hornet would be perfectly fine in a good solid low-wall.  In fact, once the firing pin has been moved to the middle and the extractor has been modified or replaced for the CF style case, changing the rifle back might be more trouble than it is worth.  Undecided
2) although I don't post pictures as often as I once did, it is because I was chastised so severely for posting the picture of FrogHilda in her bikini,  Roll Eyes  not because I'm not willing to post pictures!  Lips Sealed

To Mike T. - The changes to the barrel and fore-end are somewhat troubling, but the price you paid seems pretty attractive to me.  Is the  extractor modified from the original style by just opening up the bar-type that goes all the way across the bottom of the chamber, or is it a 9 o'clock style like was standard for CF chamberings?  If the latter, then you would have a tough row to hoe "deconverting" the barrel, if the former, you will have to build up or replace the extractor in addition to all the other work involved.  Either way, I think I would at least try to shoot it for a while in the Hornet configuration, then I would decide if a change were in order.  BTW, around here I have a lot better luck finding low-wall butt stocks than fore ends  Cry so it may be tough to find a suitable replacement if you do decide to go back to a lighter barrel configuration.  But what the hey, $400 for a good tight low-wall action is still a steal, so enjoy!!  And oh yeah, welcome to the forum and the insanity!  Roll Eyes
  
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Re: Original Low Wall project
Reply #5 - May 18th, 2010 at 11:30am
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Wouldn't a circa 1893 low wall have a color cased receiver implying that this might be a reblue? Huh
  
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Reply #6 - May 18th, 2010 at 2:05pm
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Sorry guys, I've been remiss in replying. Thank you for the warm welcome.
Extractor is in the 8 o'clock postion.
It is a center fire, someone just used a rimfire barrel. I slugged the bore at .216"/.219". Seems tight even for .22 rim.
I'm sure it has been reblued but corners are sharp, serial/pat. markings clear so so far so good.
The bore is fairly rough so I'm going to try a lap it a bit first. I'll try and figure out how to post pics  in the meantime.
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Re: Original Low Wall project
Reply #7 - May 18th, 2010 at 8:33pm
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Just to amplify, it was common practice to use .22 rimfire barrels to make .22 centerfires for a good many years, and it worked out just fine.  I have a Krag converted for .22-3000 Lovell - the smith used an arsenal rimfire barrel.  Shoots .223 bullets like a house afire. 

It was also common back then to chamber Hornets and Lovells with very tight necks, so check that carefully, too.  My Krag won't even accept a round with a .224 bullet, that's how tight it is.  But this is a plus, if you're into reloading.  The original Hornets were often very accurate, unlike more recent years where chamber necks grew and accuracy fell off.   I've heard two competent gunsmiths rail against the Hornet, but you may have the tool there to prove them wrong.   Sierra still makes an excellent .223 bullet, designated for early Hornets.  

.219 groove does sound tight - I'd check it again.  But do not mess with it until you find out whether it'll shoot the way it is!  Or sell it to me !  Wink
  

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Re: Original Low Wall project
Reply #8 - May 19th, 2010 at 12:01pm
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Did go ahead and lap the tool marks out - jeez what a relief, it was awful! Am reloading so will start with the Sierras. Making a chamber/throat cast this week to make sure I have what I think I have. Need to lower the resolution on my pics to send them. Arghhh! Will take one at lowest camera setting and hope it makes the forum limit.
Thank you for all of the information!
  
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