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Pope barreled BSA Martini
Apr 9th, 2010 at 3:44pm
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Hello, Has anyone come across any Pope barreled BSA Martini actioned position rifles from the 1930's ?  I have heard of only 2, one was on a cadet.  Thanks.
  
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Re: Pope barreled BSA Martini
Reply #1 - Apr 10th, 2010 at 7:48am
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Gary Quinlan had one for sale recently that was a true Pope barreled Martini. Then there were the rifles that pope inspected for a US Olympic team. Those were stamped OK H.M. Pope, but they were BSA barrels.

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Re: Pope barreled BSA Martini
Reply #2 - Apr 10th, 2010 at 1:52pm
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Hello, Thanks 40 Rod.  I purchased that martini from Gary not long ago.  I have been told by Pope experts they have seen one other,  I was just wondering if this is true and how rare a Pope-Martini would be?  Thanks for all your help. Wink
  
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Re: Pope barreled BSA Martini
Reply #3 - Apr 11th, 2010 at 1:25pm
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You might want to ask Tom Rowe how many he has photographed for the Pope book(s) Warren Greatbatch started work on.  I have not seen a Pope Martini .22, but I have not seen a Pope barrel on a 52 Winchester, either, and I'm sure they must exist!

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Reply #4 - Apr 16th, 2010 at 12:12pm
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hello, thanks for the info.  I will do that.
  
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Reply #5 - Apr 21st, 2010 at 7:47pm
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I don't think Pope made very many if any barrels for the Model 52.  He hated working on .22 LR from the books I have read.  My Grandfather had a Pope in .22 LR on a Ballard.  But, alas my Uncle sold that rifle.  Pope's biggest complaint was .22 ammo and its consistency (or lack thereof) for accuracy.  Sometime before 1920 Pope finally got Remington to make .22 ammo that he was satisfied with.  I read this in Gerald Kelver's "Respectfully Yours, H. M. Pope."

It took Harry two years to make a .25 barrel for Dr. Mann's experiments (1912-14) with high velocity jacketed bullets.  A. O. Niedner also collaborated on the project.  They were shooting .25 caliber jacketed bullets at up to 3000 fps at Dr. Mann's range in 1914.

As for .22 barrels look for those made by Eric Johnson in the 1940's and 50's.  The ASSRA Archivist, Rudi Prusok has info on the barrels that were made.

I do recall reading that Harry made several .30 barrels for our shooting teams and he insted on 1 in 10 twist rate.  These were on 1903 Springfileds and Krags I think (late 1920's early 1930's).
  
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Re: Pope barreled BSA Martini
Reply #6 - Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:16am
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Speaking of Pope and .22 barrels, I seem to recall some Krag .22 Trainers with Pope barrels. There was one on Gunbroker a few years back. Don't remember what it sold for but I think it was in the $2500 range.
  
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Reply #7 - Nov 17th, 2011 at 2:22am
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Stevens sold a Stevens-Pope barrel to convert an issue Krag to a gallery rifle.  They don't come around very often.
  
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Re: Pope barreled BSA Martini
Reply #8 - Aug 12th, 2012 at 12:50am
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Hi you guys with the pope martinis.I owned one forty years ago.Think it is the one .22-5-40 has. I bought it from a gun shop locally. It was from the estate of Thomas C. Florich of new york city (Phil Sharps friend).There was the pope martini and a pope barreled sharps-borchardts in .38-55. I purchased both an used them for several years.The martini had pope barrel #302 an it came with two stocks an a hard case.The rear sight was a bsa 11-a. Hole through the breech block ,it was done nicely, Both were prone stocks with thumb rests,one nice English walnut an the other American Quilted very fancy walnut. The lever had been worked on an added charm to it
E-mail me some time I may remember more
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Re: Pope barreled BSA Martini
Reply #9 - Aug 12th, 2012 at 8:06am
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I don't think Pope made very many if any barrels for the Model 52.  He hated working on .22 LR from the books I have read.  My Grandfather had a Pope in .22 LR on a Ballard.  But, alas my Uncle sold that rifle.  Pope's biggest complaint was .22 ammo and its consistency (or lack thereof) for accuracy.  Sometime before 1920 Pope finally got Remington to make .22 ammo that he was satisfied with.  I read this in Gerald Kelver's "Respectfully Yours, H. M. Pope."

It took Harry two years to make a .25 barrel for Dr. Mann's experiments (1912-14) with high velocity jacketed bullets.  A. O. Niedner also collaborated on the project.  They were shooting .25 caliber jacketed bullets at up to 3000 fps at Dr. Mann's range in 1914.

As for .22 barrels look for those made by Eric Johnson in the 1940's and 50's.  The ASSRA Archivist, Rudi Prusok has info on the barrels that were made.

I do recall reading that Harry made several .30 barrels for our shooting teams and he insted on 1 in 10 twist rate.  These were on 1903 Springfileds and Krags I think (late 1920's early 1930's).


Gary, 
I know where one pope 22 rim fire kit is - with mold, etc. Pope made a few of the kits with the idea of hand loading the rimfire to get more consistent ammo. I can't remember if the rifle has a false muzzle or not.
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Ron
  
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