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MartiniBelgian
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Re: FRAUD ALERT
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From a european perspective - payments to the US are bloody hard to do - all of Europe (and most of the rest of the world, actually) uses IBAN. Sometimes I would like to purchase in the US on auctions etc, but I am in the impossibility to use the payment method indicated.
BTW - it's not because someone knows your bank account no. that he is able to empty your account - all those companies doing commercial transactions would be ripped off quite easily otherwise...
Seems to me there's quite a lot of unwarranted suspicions in the US re. international transactions.
As to the request to reduce value - I won't condone the seller, but he probably wanted to reduce the amount of taxes he had to pay on import - which is on the declared value + shipping. The rate is somewhere between 35 and 50+%, depending on the country.
Still, in that case it is the seller's call to do it or not, but I wouldn't call it fraud - he most probably wouldn't be trying to rip you off, just to avoid lots of taxes. Also, you could just put the risk with the seller, in which case you needn't worry about it.
FWIW, some of the US bank delings would never be possible in Europe - like having a cheque clear and then it being withdrawn - no way!
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I've bought quite a lot from suppliers in the USA and had no difficulty in paying by using my bank debit card, where that isn't acceptable I use PayPal which is literally instant cash transfer. If that fails I usually send cash to a trusted friend who buys what I want and sends it to me.
What I do object to as with most other people who live here in the U/K in the amount of import duty or tax that has to be paid. Our Post Office delivers parcels over a certain declared value to Customs and Excise and then have the cheek to bill me UK£ 10,00 for the priveledge of doing so. On most items the customs stick on a high percentage of tax, which I have to pay before I get the item. In effect almost anything purchased from the USA ends up costing me twice what it would cost someone in the US to buy.
My other gripe is that when sending items out of the US a form CN22 has to be attached by the sender stating the value and the cost of postage. Whilst this tells the Customs on both sides of the Atlantic what the contents and value is, it also tells anyone else who handles the parcel. High value parcels may and do go missing.
I bought a book from the USA last week and consider myself lucky it arrived as the indicated price and postage was US$110.00. Fortunately there is no import duty on books into the UK, so I got it cheap.
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Re: FRAUD ALERT
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Apr 9
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Harry,
All true with people selling off-ticket stuff for a living and set up for credit cards - but try purchasing a rifle (even an antique) or whatever from a private person in the US and you can only pay with a US post office money order, nothing else allowed... No international money orders, no paypal, no electronic transfer (as they won't give you any bank details...). And certified cheques on foreign banks aren't accepted either.
I find it easier to make a payment to SA than to the US, sad but true...
For the rest, same story here - you pay for customs clearance, you pay VAT, duties and whatever, and if no license is required, you will finally get the item at a considerably higher cost
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Re: FRAUD ALERT
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Apr 9
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When down in Texas about forty years ago and in conversation with an old stock maker I mentioned I was going back to LA to fly out, he said in all seriousness, you have to watch those guys up there, can't trust em.
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Re: FRAUD ALERT
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Apr 9
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Boy, was this a good subject or what. I just mailed a rifle out today after calling the persons bank to ensure the certified check is real, and it is so out went the rifle. It's not thaty I do not trust. I just am protecting myself. In this day and age anyone can print a Certified check at home in multiple colors too. So, it just pays to be on the side of caution. I hat getting taken advatage of. Now, maybe the fellow as some of you all are suggestions was not trying to pull something fraudulent but to me it was. He also wanted me to insure it for a lower amount, and if anything would have happened to it then he could have come back on me for the differance, not going there. And he did not understand the USPS TRACKING SYSTEM, and I did not understand it all I guess, but I got an earfull from my local Post Master who had the time to explain the system to me. If you ship Priority you do not get an actual tracking number unless you pay more for it, then he went on the explain that with the Expressw mail you get to insure the article for a higher amount and get an actual tracking number. It just cost 100.00 to send a rifle in a package weighing in at 25 lbs to Florida.
And the other buyer was bitching about it costing double that to go overseas. Hell, I get folks that will not sell to me as I live in the Peoples Rebluck of Californai, and our gun laws are not as sad as Iniana's are. In Indiana any gun that can use modern ammo will be registered I guess as that is what I have been told, CA at least leaves the antique guns alone so far.
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