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German barreled Sharps
Mar 6th, 2010 at 5:00pm
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I picked up a different type of Sharps, this one is barreled by Emil Eckhardt, suhl. He was in the gun making business from about 1879 to 1929 when he was bought out and the company kept the same name. This is one nice looking rilfe except the wood fit leaves a bit to be desired, I think the wood gap is caused by the wood have a higher moisture content and drying. I have not had a chance to check the caliber but I think it is an 8MM, probably 8.15x46 rimmed.
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Reply #1 - Mar 6th, 2010 at 5:02pm
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Reply #2 - Mar 6th, 2010 at 6:14pm
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Verrry interestink!   Grin  What does the rest of the buttstock look like, and the forend and muzzle?   

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Reply #3 - Mar 6th, 2010 at 8:20pm
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OK David, here are some more pics.
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one more, I do not have any full length pictures yet.
  
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Reply #5 - Mar 6th, 2010 at 10:40pm
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Way cool rifle!  I'm really surprised that they kept the crescent buttplate, though.  I would have expected either a Schuetzen style buttstock on it, or changed to a shotgun type buttplate for hunting.

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Reply #6 - Mar 7th, 2010 at 12:34am
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My other acquisition was this real nice peach of a Jaeger in .54 cal, great rifled bore. I just have to figure out what the twist rate is to see what she will shoot, the last one of these I had was made for picket bullets, but I think this may be a ball rifle. Full Damascus 30.5 inches long barrel too with a real nice pattern to it. And as far as I can tell all original to boot. Bubba missed this one too.
Cabelas has one almost like this but with a little more engraving and not near as nice metal condtion and they are asking 3750.00 for it. I feel lucky that I got a good deal on this one as I wsa sure checking the other one out.
  
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Reply #7 - Mar 7th, 2010 at 7:33am
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Looks like it was built on an original Sharps 1867 conversion carbine action with a (repro?) 1874 hammer.  Remnants of Lawrence priming system, thick lockplate, percussion hammer cutout at the rear right panel of the receiver, high firing pin in the breechblock (only on the conversions)  Sling ring bar hole filled on left receiver.
The only cartridge repro with those features was the Garrett, but I'm thinking this one is an original.  Any readable markings on the action?
  

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Reply #8 - Mar 21st, 2010 at 6:16pm
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New info: Left side of the reciver stamped but barely legible is a patent date of 1848, above that is an F. Chamber cast completed and it si in 8.15X46R, with a .3200 bore, 6 grove right hand twist large lands. Double set triggers I think are not original.
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Reply #9 - Mar 22nd, 2010 at 10:32pm
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Mike, both real fine looking rifles.  Congratulations and enjoy shooting them
  
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Reply #10 - Mar 22nd, 2010 at 10:49pm
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Thanks John. I will keep and shoot the Peabody and the percusion Jaeger but the German Sharps I'm going to sell. I'm going to put the Sharps on Gunbroker I think here soon.
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Reply #11 - Mar 23rd, 2010 at 12:15pm
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mwhite49 wrote on Mar 7th, 2010 at 12:34am:
My other acquisition was this real nice peach of a Jaeger in .54 cal, great rifled bore. I just have to figure out what the twist rate is to see what she will shoot, the last one of these I had was made for picket bullets, but I think this may be a ball rifle. Full Damascus 30.5 inches long barrel too with a real nice pattern to it. And as far as I can tell all original to boot. Bubba missed this one too.
Cabelas has one almost like this but with a little more engraving and not near as nice metal condtion and they are asking 3750.00 for it. I feel lucky that I got a good deal on this one as I wsa sure checking the other one out.


I'm not a huge Sharps fan but sure like your German barreled rifle. Sort of a mystery rifle too which I like.

As far as your Jaeger. If it didnt have the wooden patch box would you still call it a Jaeger?  What did the twist wind up being? 


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Reply #12 - Mar 23rd, 2010 at 7:39pm
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The Jaeger I have not had a chance to check out the twist. But it is thre finest twist damascus I have ever seen. All parts are marked with a 1, papent tang, percussion bolster and barrel all numbered with a 1. and two real small letters by the breech plug that are so small I can't make them out. I need to find my magnifier. I call it a Jaeger because it diffinatly is a European made rifle from Germany. The Swiss Jaeger's for the most part had a small bore around 30-32cal. this one is .54 cal deep rifled. The other give away is the butt plate, this is a German one not a Swiss one. The interesting thing about the barrel is the twist of the damascus and the welding. It appears to have been welded about every inch over a mandrel and the detail is unreal. This was purchased ata WW2 vets estate auction along with the Sharps. So he must have served in Germany or close or had a relative bring it back for him.
  
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Reply #13 - Mar 23rd, 2010 at 7:39pm
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The Jaeger I have not had a chance to check out the twist. But it is thre finest twist damascus I have ever seen. All parts are marked with a 1, papent tang, percussion bolster and barrel all numbered with a 1. and two real small letters by the breech plug that are so small I can't make them out. I need to find my magnifier. I call it a Jaeger because it diffinatly is a European made rifle from Germany. The Swiss Jaeger's for the most part had a small bore around 30-32cal. this one is .54 cal deep rifled. The other give away is the butt plate, this is a German one not a Swiss one. The interesting thing about the barrel is the twist of the damascus and the welding. It appears to have been welded about every inch over a mandrel and the detail is unreal. This was purchased ata WW2 vets estate auction along with the Sharps. So he must have served in Germany or close or had a relative bring it back for him.
  
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Reply #14 - Mar 24th, 2010 at 12:42am
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Oh yes it's German alright. The Jaegers lost the Jaeger features as time went on into the percussion period. Yours is very late being percussion and rather plain.  I'd call it a Jaeger also because of the wooden patchbox.  Nice rifle! 

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