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Reply #15 - Mar 19th, 2010 at 8:57am
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DWS,

That would certainly be unique. I would be willing to build one in damascus for a small caliber like a hornet or maybe somthing larger but very low pressure and recoil.
  
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Reply #16 - Mar 19th, 2010 at 4:59pm
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just curious,  why the qualification? as I recall the hornet,  from past threads here on the site, can actually be pretty high pressure and it concentrated in a pretty small area on the breech face.

Is the damascus in an action sized masses that much weaker than standard "solid" steel?
  

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Reply #17 - Mar 19th, 2010 at 11:09pm
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It's all about liability. The damascus should perform as well as the steel it is forged from. However, there is no way to know for sure there isn't some internal flaw that could cause a problem. It's not so much the chamber pressure (the barrel handles the majority of that) as it is all of the other forces put on the rifle action. Mainly the recoil and flexing associated with it. 

All that being said, I trust my damascus to perform. A good smith knows when a questionable weld is made. I wouldn't hesitate to build a damascus action for an appropriate round, I just won't risk  it with larger chamberings.

OK, here are a few photos. As I said before, I made a slight change to the underlever shape and added the latch. The extractor and cam require the two screws on the side of the action. I must say I am thrilled with it. Makes me feel nostaligic....only cure for that is one of these in .303 for my own use.  Wink

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Reply #18 - Mar 24th, 2010 at 7:07am
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Beautiful work Bailey.The lever is aspecially classic,and grabs me like no other.Best wishes on your production.Don't forget the Varmit shooters and rimmed cases,as well
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Reply #19 - Mar 24th, 2010 at 10:48am
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Joe,

Thanks, I like the lever as well. The amount of change was only shortening it .3" and 3 degrees turn down from the first lever. Made a big difference though.

Here are a couple of pictures compared to my ruger 1. The actions are for rimmed cartridges only for now. 

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This picture shows the size relation. My action is about 1/2" shorter. The bottom of the actions are alighned.
  
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Reply #20 - Mar 24th, 2010 at 6:35pm
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As for the largest cartridge it can be chambered for. I designed it for 30-06 sized cases, but since it requires a rimmed case, it will need to be a rimmed version in the medium bore family. 

I did some research regarding the specific strength of the action. The dimensions critical to this are the action side walls, barrel band and corresponding barrel shank dia. The side walls are .2" thick, but can be left thicker if requested. ( the action is 1.25" thick)That's the same side wall thickness as a Ruger no.1, but my action has a couple of advantages over the no 1. First is the material. The No 1 is from a casting, and has releived areas where the sidewalls are thinner. I am using 4140 and 8620, and the cavity is wire cut on my EDM. The EDM produces a smooth, stress free cut. The breech block, also EDM cut is a precise fit, which reduces "hammering" from a not so perfect fit. 

The barrel hole on the action is .875", which keeps .2" barrel wall thickness, plus the thickness of the barrel band around the chamber ( .164"). So, the dimensions of the barrel band and barrel shank require the case diameter to be .471" and smaller at the base, The rimm size should be .531" and smaller. This includes the 9.3x74r. So, to answer the question on the largest caliber, the 9.3X74R would be it.
  
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Reply #21 - Mar 25th, 2010 at 1:14am
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Bailey:

Hmm.... Does it come in any other color?


The latest changes have done wonders for the action. The Gibbs extractor is the last word in fallng block extractor systems. The new lever is much better in both looks and functional shape. 

I am most looking forward to getting one of these in my hot little hands...

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Reply #22 - Mar 25th, 2010 at 7:32am
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What's not to love.I assume a slide safety will be on the top tang,now if the trigger can be adjusted into the ounces,say from 8oz to 21/2lbs,without some sort of aftermrket trigger,which I'm sure won't be available.Any caliber bases on the 30-30 case would be sweet.My choice would be the 20Classic.
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Reply #23 - Mar 27th, 2010 at 11:24am
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I am considering adding a set screw to adjust trigger travel. It is a crisp trigger, and with travel adjustment it would be tuneable to individual tastes. 

The trigger, trigger spring and sear are integral. The safety blocks the rear of the trigger/sear, so the safety is very effective.

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I did a little shaping to the bottom of the action yesterday. Polising today.....

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Reply #24 - Mar 27th, 2010 at 10:03pm
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Now you have me curious. Where would one find a picture or schematic of the Gibbs extractor system?

That is a very nice action. The posts showing the development are very interesting. Wish you the best of luck with it.
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Reply #25 - Apr 25th, 2010 at 10:08pm
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Machined the prototype stock. Pre-inleted on the mill, and left about .35" to hand inlet to the action. It will take me about 2 hrs to finish the inletting and begin refining the stock's shape with a file. I could get the inletting accurate enough on the mill to fit the action, but it becomes a case of diminishing returns. I like to leave a little hand work as it keeps me "intimate" with my work.

The wrist is oversize by about 1/8" on top and bottom, but the thickness is within about .02". Quick work for rasp and chissels.

This is going to be a REALLY nice stalking rifle. Balance will be about 1/2" in front of the action, and I would guess the weight will be about 6 lbs. I can get a good idea of how the rifle will feel with the stock "on". I am liking the way it is turning out.

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Re: New Farquharson action
Reply #26 - Apr 30th, 2010 at 2:38pm
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Chuckster wrote on Mar 27th, 2010 at 10:03pm:
Where would one find a picture or schematic of the Gibbs extractor system?


Look in the Farquharson chapter of Frank de Haas' 1st volume. 

There is an intermediate lever between the underlever and the extractor. The extractor is hinged low, of course. The intermediate lever is hinged high and is swung rearward by pressure near its tip from the underlever. At first, the intermediate lever presses high on the extractor giving good initial extraction force. As the intermediate lever swings further, the point of contact with the extractor switches to the tip of the former, which is near the base of the latter. Extraction force drops greatly, but the speed at which the extractor rotates jumps allowing it to eject.

A similar effect can be obtained with the simple L shaped (bell crank) extractor. In these, the base of the falling block hits the lower leg of the L to rotate it. If the lower leg is long enough and the base of the block is shaped correctly, the initial contact is towards the rear of the block, well out on the lever. As the block falls further, contact is made at the front of the block, nearer the center of rotation of the extractor, increasing its speed of rotation.

Farquharson's original extractor patent was also for a simple bell crank extractor. Its center of rotation changes, a transfer enabled by making the hole for the extractor hinge pin slotted--I'd need to do a drawing. I think the two lever scheme replaced it.
  

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Re: New Farquharson action
Reply #27 - Apr 30th, 2010 at 10:15pm
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KWK,---Thank you. Good description. I have that de Hass book. Will check it out.
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Reply #28 - May 1st, 2010 at 2:07am
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Chuckster, I'm sorry, I should have pulled my copy of de Haas before sending you there. The drawing in de Haas is vague, and the write up doesn't describe the action of the intermediate lever.

Look instead at (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) It was here I first read the full description of the two lever scheme. It is one of the 4 claims in the patent and is described at the top of the second column of page 2 of the text.

What I called a lever he calls an arm, and his name is more accurate.
  

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Re: New Farquharson action
Reply #29 - May 1st, 2010 at 9:21pm
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Chuckster,

I will take a picture of the parts as they are arranged inside the action in the next day or two. I kept intending to scan the picture from Winfer's book on the Gibbs.

KWK, thanks for the link to the patent. Very cool stuff. 

Winfer's boon notes there are no surviving Gibbs Farqy's with the  L shaped Martini style extractor. I am sure it works good, as the Martini's will zip the case out with authority.
  
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