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Importation of parts gun
Jan 14th, 2010 at 4:10pm
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I have been offered a basket case Martini carbine in the original .577-.450. It is a basket case and is more or less complete but in somewhat rusted pieces. 

The question is that since it is in Canada what kind of problems would be presented in shipping to the US? Is this something that is doable with a minimum of fuss as it is an antique, or will a great deal of paperwork and/or shipping to a FFL be required?

I would like to be able to take advantage of the offer, but do not want to see either the shipper or myself end up with legal problems.
  

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Reply #1 - Jan 14th, 2010 at 5:20pm
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It is an antique, made before 1899.  As such, it is just another piece of metal under our firearms laws, and can be shipped to you directly with no problems.  The shipper needs to clearly state on the customs form that it is antique (pre-1899) gun parts, not subject to regulation as a firearm.  It is a good idea to include an invoice or shipping paper in the box with the gun stating the same.  I've shipped antiques out of the country many times, after verifyifying that it is legal to do so in the receiving country.  I have had no problems or refusals, ever.

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Reply #2 - Jan 15th, 2010 at 10:34am
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Canadian Firearms restrictions also have the antique clause (unless antique uses modern cartridges). So a .303 Martini would need import/export permits; but a .577-450 should not be a problem if clearly defined as an anitque on all of the shipping papers.
  
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Reply #3 - Jan 15th, 2010 at 1:16pm
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The caliber has no bearing on import requirements into the U.S. if an antique.

It may be relevant to meet Canada export rules, but not U.S. import rules.  Date manufactured is the determing factor for U.S. import.

If you are importing Antique firearms into the U.S., Cut and paste the following letter. Print a copy and attach it to the shipment or carry it with you to present to Customs.

I would also make multiple copies to be placed in the box with the rifle and attached to the bill of lading.

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To whom it may concern, 


The enclosed firearm was manufactured in or prior to 1898 and meets the definition of an antique firearm under Title 18 Chapter 44 section 921 (a) (16) of the Gun Control Act of 1968. For the purposes of importation under Part 47, this firearm is defined as not a firearm in Subpart B section 47.11. Part 178 Subpart G 178.115 makes the importation of this firearm an exempt importation. No ATF Form 6 import license is required.


This firearm is being imported for personal use and is not for resale. This firearm is exempt from duties as an Antique under HTS 9706.0000.60.

  

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Reply #4 - Jan 15th, 2010 at 5:47pm
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Thanks for the advice. We will follow it. I will update with a photo of the gun if successful or where to send the cake (Devil's Food) with file if it is not.
  

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Reply #5 - Jan 26th, 2010 at 4:05pm
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The parts arrived with no problems. The gentleman sending it to me brought it across the border and mailed from New York to save shipping costs. The letter was a big help in getting it out of Canada. 

It is complete, but pretty much covered with surface rust. It will clean up and most parts look salvageable. The worst being the wood and barrel bands. The barrel looks like the bore was good before it was put away unprotected 30 or so years ago. 

The next request is for some information on proof marks. It looks to be British, but the left side of the receiver has been buffed or ground to remove any makers markings. There are plenty of proof & inspector's markings elsewhere on the receiver, barrel and breechblock.
  

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Reply #6 - Jan 26th, 2010 at 4:27pm
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If it was a military carbine, the right side would have the maker's mark...and most civilian arms also used the right side for that purpose.  It could still be military...look for proof marks on the barrel's underside forward of the action.  Civilian proof marks will usually be mostly above the wood line.  Photos?

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Reply #7 - Jan 26th, 2010 at 8:53pm
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I looked again at the right side with a magnifying glass, and the crown and VR Enfield 1873 are barely visible. 

Here are a couple of photos. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but there are some possibilities here. The action and barrel are salvageable, the wood is pretty sorry and the stock hardware is shot. I am sort of thinking of leaving it in something approaching the original appearance, maybe relining in 30-30 or 357 Magnum.

Is repro wood available for these for a reasonable price?

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Re: Importation of parts gun
Reply #8 - Jan 26th, 2010 at 10:16pm
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Repo stocks are available but price and source evades my memory at the moment. If it were mine I would attempt to salvage the wood. Does not look that bad to me but pictures may not tell all. Looks like an interesting project.
  
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Reply #9 - Jan 27th, 2010 at 1:55am
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Original Martini-Henry rifle and carbine parts are regularly put up on the U/K Ebay site. By regularly, I mean virtually daily. 

You may have to wait a little for some specific part but the guy selling them strips the rifle/carbines right down and sells individual springs, pins, screws. The woodwork is also sold as are the nosecaps, lever catches and barrel bands.  Smiley

Do a search for Martini-Henry on Ebay and you should find them without much trouble, sadly you also get a list of records for sale the the Martini-Henry Rifles pop band. Euck.

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Reply #10 - Jan 27th, 2010 at 9:15am
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Thanks for that advice Harry. I don't know if UK/eBay allows shipping of parts outside of the UK. US eBay does not, even wood. I know it is stupid, but that is what the world is coming to. I will take a look.

The gun is interesting, but not particularly rare or valuable. I would like to make it into something useable, but rough as it is, it is not worth investing a great deal of money in. The little carbine has a bit of appeal to me for some reason.
  

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Reply #11 - Jan 27th, 2010 at 12:40pm
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Hello JC,

Try this link :- (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)

There's not a lot up today but it does change fast, alternatively you could Email the seller of M-H parts and tell him what you need, you may save him putting it up on Ebay. Ascertain precisely what Mark of M-H you have as some parts differed between Marks.

I don't know of any problems in exporting antique rifle parts. I have purchased a few for friends in the USA. Never had a problem with customs at all. I would have thought if there was a problem dealing in 
antique gun parts, then EBay wouldnt permit things to be advertised.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

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Reply #12 - Jan 27th, 2010 at 1:03pm
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Thanks Harry; I have added the link to my searches. Agreed, import/export of antique firearm parts is exempt by the government, but eBay has its own rules. I cannot sell any parts, even stocks for export.

You can eliminate the pop band by limiting your search to Sporting Goods. Why would a pop band choose the name "Martini Henry Rifles"?
  

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Reply #13 - Jan 27th, 2010 at 5:52pm
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If you have access to wood & hardware for the Lee-Enfield #1 Mk III etc. you will be surprised at how many parts can be substituted with very little effort.  Don't pay a bundle for Martini-Henry parts when there are mountains of L-E parts available for very little.
  
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Reply #14 - Jan 27th, 2010 at 7:15pm
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That's not a carbine at all. It is a cut down rifle.  I normally always and anally say restore! But in this case  you need the two most difficult part to find to restore; a barrel and fore stock.  Not impossible to find, but it will take a bit to find.

I suggest you offer the barrel and stocks with hardware for sale and use the action for building some sort of sporter. A nice .450 Musket or even .375 2 1/2" Flanged NE  for instance.  Why even a 45/70. 

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