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stevens 44
Oct 28th, 2009 at 4:07pm
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i just picked up a 44 stevens in 38-55 ,it has a #2 stamped on the barrel in front of the forend . the barrel is 26 in. long and measures about . 860 at the muzzle . is the #2 a barrel weght ?

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Re: stevens 44
Reply #1 - Oct 28th, 2009 at 7:27pm
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#2 is the barrel size (or weight).  Go easy with that 44 in 38-55 caliber.  That's a lot of cartridge for a relatively weak action.
  
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Re: stevens 44
Reply #2 - Oct 30th, 2009 at 7:56am
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Jerry,
Does your 44 have the extra lug on the hammer that helps prop up the rear of the breach block? 

I have an original 32-40 with the lug. I suspect that Stevens added the lug after having problems with the 44's loosening up. After that they dropped the larger calibers all together in the 44's, but the problem might have been the high speed loadings that were coming in at that time. 

With black powder loadings only, who knows, the 44 might be strong enough. I've shot my 32-40 a few times, but not enough to know & don't need to.  I have 44 1/2's enough to shoot. 

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Reply #3 - Oct 30th, 2009 at 1:07pm
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yes , my hammer has the lug on it . do you guys think i can shoot factory loads in it  ?

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Re: stevens 44
Reply #4 - Oct 30th, 2009 at 6:56pm
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I wouldn't shoot factory loads in it; you are probably alright with black or light smokeless cast bullet loads. Just my opinion.
  

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Reply #5 - Nov 1st, 2009 at 1:49pm
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    High there Mr. VZE2R4VX ...

            Should you be new to the J. Stevens Model 44 "swinging block" action, I'm going to vigorously suggest that you go ever so S L O W with your newly acquired 38-55 rifle.

          There is an abundance of good advice to be had on this forum, and it is advised that you wait until it is all in prior to your shooting any so-called " Factory Loads ".  That term, " Factory Loads " has no definitive meaning and means different things to different people.  I guess you are using the term to mean "store bought" ammunition, which is a dangerous proposition.

         After all, the current ( modern made ) Winchester High Walls, be they Italian or Asian, are manufactured from modern materials and they are available chambered in the 38-55 cartridge.  You would be well advised NOT to shoot such ammunition in your 100 year old Stevens Model 44.

          I have the same J. Stevens action chambered in the 32-40 cartridge and black powder is the propellant of choice.  Yes, my swinging block does have the support lug on the hammer, but it is still far short of being a falling block style action.

         As I say, please don't run out to your local gun store and buy 38-55 ammunition for this rifle.  Get with a knowledgeable gun smith to first inspect your Stevens 44 and have it first declared in safe operating condition.  Then confer with an experienced hand loader who is willing to prepare the correct ammunition which he deems safe for the rifle in question.

Think Safety

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Reply #6 - Nov 1st, 2009 at 2:53pm
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thank you very much for your info ,that is what i ment by factory ammo .
i will go slowly .

jerry
  
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Re: stevens 44
Reply #7 - Nov 1st, 2009 at 3:58pm
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I've had several Stevens 44 rifles. Ed Landers, a Massachusetts gunsmith and SS rifle guy, concluded a discussion with the opinion that the 44 action, with or without that lug on the hammer, is safe with 22 rimfire ammunition and nothing more powerful. Some time later we saw a 44 blow up at the Alabama Hunt Club. That's what prompted me to sell all my weak SS rifles. Ballards and 44s and an Aydt.
To my mind, the question is not:"Is the rifle able to handle factory ammunition or a normal charge?". The question is:"Is the rifle able to handle a double charge without injuring the shooter?". 
My opinion only, but a Martini or High Wall or Hepburn or FBW or ..... is a far better choice. 
Now, if you never make a mistake, then forget what I've said. Otherwise, hang it on the wall.
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Re: stevens 44
Reply #8 - Nov 1st, 2009 at 9:11pm
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Most guns of current manufacture will not survive a double load. I do not hesitate to shoot my old origninal guns that are in good condition with the APPROPRIATE loads. Stupidity can destroy the best modern firearm and get you hurt. When in doubt with the older guns, blackpowder or a blackpowder substitute and lead bullets are a lot more difficult to get into trouble with. Appropriate black powder equivilant loads are available, but it is impossible to double charge with Black Powder.
  
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Re: stevens 44
Reply #9 - Nov 2nd, 2009 at 5:30am
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I realize that none of you are as stupid as I. Here's the only damage done to my luscious body when an H&R Handi Rifle in 30-30 was subjected to an overcharge. This happened while I was writing an article on the rifle for the ASSRA news.
I think about this with a STRONG action, and the probable results with a 44 or Ballard.
Of course, nobody else will ever make a loading mistake.
joe b.
  
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Re: stevens 44
Reply #10 - Nov 2nd, 2009 at 9:47pm
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Ouch! I bet that hurt. I would never fault anyone for being overly cautious.
  
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