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loads for the sharps 40-70 BN
Aug 23rd, 2009 at 12:37am
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I have a side hammer Peabody being barreled in .40 cal and it is being chambered in 40-70 Sharps BN. Does anyone have a good starting load in Black Powder for me? 
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Re: loads for the sharps 40-70 BN
Reply #1 - Aug 23rd, 2009 at 2:48pm
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I don't know if anybody else has experienced this problem or not. I read before I bought a Sharp's 40-70 bottleneck that these cases have problems with using black powder. Well I bought one anyway. After shooting it for a while I discovered that a hard ring formed about 2 or 3 inches in front of the bullet and greatly affected accuracy. The only way I could keep it from forming was to wipe between each shot. I finally gave up and changed the barrel. I now have a 40-70 and have not experienced this problem since. FYI. 
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Re: loads for the sharps 40-70 BN
Reply #2 - Aug 23rd, 2009 at 3:27pm
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I have a Rolling Block chambered for the 40-70 SBN,which I've had for 27years and never experienced that brass problem.The load that I've used which has shot consistently is as follows:
               2Fg Goex--60 grs
               LDP wad on top of powder
               Federal 210 primer
               Barley crimp mouth of case
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Re: loads for the sharps 40-70 BN
Reply #3 - Aug 24th, 2009 at 12:29pm
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Here is a base line load.

Redding/Saeco #640 bullet.  377 gr of 1/20 alloy.  SPG lube.  Sized to fit.  This as about as close to orignal weight.  The Winchester loads made for this rifle were paper patched 370 grain 1/20 alloy.

Anyway, start with around a 370 grain 1/20 alloy bullet as your base. 

Federal 215 large rifle primer.

For the inital load, try for 70 grains GOEX cartridge by weight.  Walters .060 wad or .030 depending on how much you can get in the case.  Use a drop tube and experiment with compression.

best...3"group at 100 yds but will easily double with fouling.   

However, I think the orignal sharps 40-70 BN rifles were really made to shoot paper patched bullets with better accuracy then an unpatched bullet.   I think the paper patch helps push out the
fouling of the previous shot.  The rifling on the originals is shallow and that seems to be typical of paper patch rifles.   

If it were me, I'd think I would eventually try softer lead and paper patching.

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Re: loads for the sharps 40-70 BN
Reply #4 - Aug 30th, 2009 at 12:03pm
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When loading a bottleneck case with black powder there are 3 things that you do not want to do:

1. have the wad below the bottleneck
2. have the bullet base below the bottleneck
3. compress the powder to the point that it forms a constriction at the bottleneck

If you use an expander plug with a case mouth belling angle, etc, make sure that the expander can get all the way through the neck before starting to bell the case. That is one problem that I had. I had to have CH4D make a custom expander so that the neck was opened up all the way through.

I had a 40-70 SBN that I rebarreled. I gave the barrel away and sold the dies and brass to the gentleman that has the barrel. It is shooting pretty well for him. My rifle wanted to be a 45-110 more than it wanted to be a 40-70. 

Some folks over on the Shiloh board have had good accuracy 

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go over there and do a search. on that site, when doing a search, "RIGHT CLICK" on the search result and have it "OPEN IN A NEW WINDOW" otherwise when you back up to the search result, you will lose the results and have to REFRESH the screen. that is the major bad thing about the shiloh site.   

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