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DonN
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Jul 11
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Hi
Another dumb one.
When is the best time to blue a barrel before the barrel is fitted to the action or after? Or doesn't it matter.
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Hi DonN
In this case, the old adage:”the only dumb question is one that has not been asked” does not apply here !!!
I’m going to let the others chime in on your question but I just have to say that yours is a common sense question and if you have to ask it, stay away from firearms.. Sooner or later, someone will get hurt… Not a slam, just needed to say it...
I know I’ll get a lot of grief from this but we (who reply) have a responsibility for our answers and when someone who is so naive, we should not encourage them to continue without proper training and that does not mean Q&A on the web…
Bluing should be applied to individual parts…
Good Luck !!!
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Re: Bluing??
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Don,
I'll approach this from the standpoint that you are having work done and want to know what sequence of events works best and why. I look upon bluing (and application of virtually any finish) as a near final step. First, all of the gunsmithing should be done, then the piece should be assembled for trial fit and function. After the mechanics are finished the rifle is then disassembled and each piece is given the appropriate level of polish and blued, plated, etc, while it is separated, so the finish goes around and through. Then it is carefully reassembled and any final polishing, etc. is done.
Some people take a shortcut and blue a barreled action as a unit, but this will likely lead to grief as the blueing salts migrate into the space between the threads and evil things happen there in the dark!! I know of an otherwise fine high-wall project that may never get rebarreled because the current barrel was done in that way and the corrosion has virtually welded the whole thing together.
Good luck with your project, Don. Don't be afraid to ask questions, even if some folks get prickly with their answers. Maybe some of us have had too much (or too little) coffee!
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DonN
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Redwing
Sorry if I ruffled your feathers. After 50 years of owning and handling firearms without any mishaps, this is my first attempt at having a rifle made. I have just started optaining the parts and having different people do the various work. I was just inquiring at to the proper order of work.
Green Frog
Thanks. That seemed to me the correct way, get all the machine work done then the finish work. I just wanted to check with the people who have done this thing before, to see if there was a reason for varing this approch.
Don
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Don,
Very valid question. How many rifles have been re-blued without removing the barrel? Generally not a problem with factory or military types where the barrel is screwed in very tightly. Just brush and oil the fuzz if it shows. Of course, I have never tried to remove the barrel ten years later. Agree with the Frog on the right way.
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Don,
I do it very much like Green Frog, except for one minor difference. I actually completely finish everything, including wood and all polishing before bluing.
I also give the gun a thorough range session to insure the gun shoots well enough to keep, and determine if any changes might be necessary prior to final finish. I don't want to have to rework or change anything once the gun is blued and cased.
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Don Our friend the Azure Amphibian has the sequence right. Another reason to fit up then disassemble finish and re-assemble is if the action and barrel are going to have different finishes. Most of our Single shots do have a different finish barrel to action and associated parts.
Like Marlinguy said it's generally better to fit the wood up too, final sanding out and fit can often nick or otherwise mar the metal. Which can be cleaned up before it's blued.
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Redwing wrote
on Jul 11
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Hi DonN
In this case, the old adage:”the only dumb question is one that has not been asked” does not apply here !!!
I’m going to let the others chime in on your question but I just have to say that yours is a common sense question and if you have to ask it, stay away from firearms.. Sooner or later, someone will get hurt… Not a slam, just needed to say it...
I know I’ll get a lot of grief from this but we (who reply) have a responsibility for our answers and when someone who is so naive, we should not encourage them to continue without proper training and that does not mean Q&A on the web…
Bluing should be applied to individual parts…
Good Luck !!!
Ed…..
Too much coffee?? How bout just plain rude.
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Re: Bluing??
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Yeah, I've never heard of anyone getting hurt by sloppy bluing.
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Most revolvers are blued barrel in place. Considering the variety of guns out there and number of methods it was a reasonable question to ask.
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Hi DonN !!!
Having just returned from a family tragedy, I read my posting and realized my error in writing on the brink of a stressful trip.. I apologize for my abrupt and callous reply and hope we can continue to share information in the future..
Green-one:
Thank you for your support in recognizing my irrational behavior and posting a valid reply to Dons question.. You are a class act !!!
Joe:
PM forth coming….
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Hi Don,
I had an opportunity to work in a shop when I was younger for a very competent gun maker and artisan who later became a member of the Custom Gun Maker's Guild. In the three years I was there, I was most often tasked with the polishing of firearms for bluing/rebluing. Many were rebarreled military custom jobs and some were commercial actions which were rebarreled. I don't remember one time that we removed the barrels prior to bluing. I just had my Springfield reblued after having it rebarreled to 35 Whelan, and I sent it out for rebluing after doing the polishing with the barrel intact. Personally, I think you run the risk of marring the barrel and action if you reassemble the barrel after the blue job has been completed. Just my observation. Terry
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k0wtz
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this is an interesting read. i think i would want my smith to do as has been suggested and everything done separetly and even fire that rifle to make sure it shoots before the final blue job.
im sure this would be the way a factory would do it whether they fire it i dont know but some do. im sure when it is assembled the first time and it shoots certain marks are made to insure it is put back exaclty as it was.
the firsst comment was a little mean but i saw he was man enough to say he was sorry and grief makes us to say things we shouldnt some times.
this is a good board and there are some real experts here loaing their time and expertise to help us with our problems.
keep it up boys much appreciated.
bob
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Re: Bluing??
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Jul 27
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Generally the parts are finished individually (barrels are blued separately from frames). For several reasons; different polishing directions & grits. You certainly can’t do a proper job of polishing an octagon barrel while it’s still mounted to the frame. Different finishing techniques, rust blued barrels, Color Case Hardened or Charcoal blued frame.
Looking at later Colt SAAs, you can see that they did the final polish before installing the front sight & ejector stud.
If you take a close look at the Winchester proof mark, you will see that it was applied after the frame/barrel were blued. One can assume that these marks were applied after all parts were finished, fitted and the gun function checked/test fired before final proof mark applied.
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DonN
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Jul 27
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Thanks for all the replys. I'm re-barreling my CPA Stevens I should have the new barrel in a couple of weeks, I hope. It will then go off to CPA for fitting. After testing the barrel will be blued. I'm thinking of trying my hand at rust blueing it myself. At that time I'll have a few questions for all you shade tree gunsmiths.
Don
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