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RKS barrels
Jun 22nd, 2009 at 6:44pm
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I am basically a BPCR shooter and I asked for info last year on Ron Smith on the this forum. There was quite a discussion. LOL  I ended up getting a .38 left hand gain twist (22-11) in Stainless Steel. I barreled it on a high wall in 38-72 Cal using a 368 Gr. (1.51”) bullet.

I was very impressed with the result. When I scoped the barrel, I could not find a flaw. After  load development, it is shooting groups I wanted with no leading issues. As a result, I am thinking of another RKS project. This one will be a 32-40 mounted on a CPA 44 ˝ action (22Cal.) I have. Several questions/recommendations:
 1.What barrel contour and length -  #3 or #4 Win?
 2.Gain twist or straight – 6 or 8 groove?
 3.Twist ratio?

Would you suggest a through bolt for the CPA, as I will get a Pope Schuetzen butt stock? Appreciate any replies………………………Jim Kidwell
  
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Reply #1 - Jun 22nd, 2009 at 7:46pm
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I think the only thing you need to worry about is what barrel weight you want. Your proposed barrel maker will be able to answer your other questions better then any of us. Tell him what bullet weight you propose using. I assume somewhere around 215 grains-since you seem to be going for the max. Unless you are very good indeed this barrel will offer more accuracy then is needed for an offhand rifle. As far as barrel weight is concerned I think Harry Pope's advice is still good. He recommended what amounted to a #4 barrel. 30 inches woudl be plenty long and some prefer 28. I am not aware of Harry ever using a through bolt on his Stevens and I don't think its critical-again we are talking about an offhand rifle. I sure would not recommend a stainless barrel. They have never shown any advantage and they are definately not very traditional on a single shot rifle.
  
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Reply #2 - Jun 22nd, 2009 at 9:18pm
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What kind of price range are we looking at?
  
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Reply #3 - Jun 22nd, 2009 at 9:42pm
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1/4 bore gave you good advice, Take the barrel makers recommendation on twist. Here is my opinion on your other choices,  take it for what it is worth, free advice.

If you have had good luck with gain twist stay with it. Douglas barrels don't lead and any good barrel should not either. Stainless is a personal choice, Not the way I would set up a nice traditonal action single shot. Miller or other striker action perhaps they are modern anyway. If I was setting up totatly modern would consider all stainless action and barrel. 

On size. # 4 is what I shoot on my CPA's 3 of them .22 32 & 38.  all 28 inches. It's about the standard offhand barrel for a Schuetzen.  #3's are good too if the overall weight with a # 4 is too much.  Mine weigh over 14 lbs with the scope and palm rest. That's good for steady hold but if it fatigues you that's bad for a long match like the Hudson.  #2 is too light and # 5 too heavy for most people offhand shooting 

There is a point for a short heavy barrel but it's not traditional.  If bench rest there is no subsitue for weight and mass. #3 would be way under weight.  I had a # 5 32/40 Douglas on one of my CPA's but never shot it  much. Sold it to a member and he has had very good results. I expect it's a good barrel but results are mostly due to the weight and the way it handles on sandbags.

Lots of opinion on through bolts. I say it's a cure for a problem, if no problem you don't need a cure.  If you were buyng a high dollar double shotgun a through bolt would be considered 2nd class workmanship, compared to a properly fitted buttstock with tangs.  Lots of single shot guys believe in through bolts. If you do they are not hard to fit.   

Not sure if you intend to shoot offhand or bench. Have the Pope offhand stock on one of my rifles. It's great offhand & all but impossable to shoot bench rest.  Cheek piece makes it twist on recoil small forearm won't hold it straight and the buttplate is a problem too. Perfect offhand

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Reply #4 - Jun 23rd, 2009 at 12:09am
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At the ISSA regional in Salt Lake City a couple weeks ago I was trying out some new lube. My new cold weather lube. Got some lead in the barrel but didnt know about it until I looked in the barrel. It's a RKS gain twist, stainless, six groove, 13.5 twist. I'm shooting a Paul Jones 230 gr spitzer. Thats the first time I've ever had any leading. You simply cant go wrong with a RKS barrel. They may cost a bit more but worth it to me.

I like a bit longer barrel than most. #4 30 or 32 inches long.

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Reply #5 - Jun 23rd, 2009 at 12:24am
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Jimofatl wrote on Jun 22nd, 2009 at 6:44pm:

Would you suggest a through bolt for the CPA, as I will get a Pope Schuetzen butt stock? Appreciate any replies………………………Jim Kidwell


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My Dad purchased a CPA a few years ago with the Pope stock. I couldnt shoot it at all. The comb was way too high for me. And if I remember right dad had to clean it from the muzzle because the comb was in the way. I remember telling Dad that I thought the stock was meant for a false muzzled rifle where its always cleaned from the muzzle. Of course you can always cut the comb down to fit.

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Re: RKS barrels
Reply #6 - Jun 23rd, 2009 at 8:59am
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OK I’ll put in my 2 cents. I am shooting an RKS on a CPA action on my bench rifle. If you are going to use any barrel maker for his expertise than listen to him when he gives you advice. In my barrel I am using a spitzer bullet 1.200 inches long that weighs in at 219 grains when cast in 30:1. It shoots very well at about 1300 fps. From experience I can tell you that a stainless barrel and a CPA Action that has been Metalifed looks good together. But if I were going for a more traditional rifle I would have it blued. As far as stock goes I believe Paul still offers a trough-bolt option. I would use that with either a model 52 or 49 stock. Both will let you shoot offhand and bench with the same stock set. The 52 and 49 both will let you clean from the breech if you order the speed hammer. The speed hammer is just a little shorter and will let you clear the hammer with a cleaning rod. 

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Reply #7 - Jun 23rd, 2009 at 9:01am
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Thanks for the replies so far. 

To clarify further, I plan on using a PJ 240 Gr. bullet and was leaning towards a 1:12 twist (?). The chamber is being designed to place the bullet mostly into the lands.(ala breech seating w/ fixed ammo). I want all the case I can get for Black Powder. The reason for fixed ammo is to be able to shoot rapidly if conditions warrant it. 

Since I am a newbie to Scheutzen, I wanted some flexibility, so I asked about a butt stock (Pope) I could use for offhand and the one I presently have for the Bench. I wondered about the through bolt because of changing back and forth. If not a Pope, what would you recommend for an off hand stock?

I know most of you use smokeless, but I am a died in the wool BP shooter. BTW, another friend of mine got a RKS SS barrel in 45-70 and has won a recent Regional and a Friendship silhouette matches. He had the SS barrel powder coated and it looks like it had a first class bluing job. I will do the same. Thanks again..............................Jim    
  
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Reply #8 - Jun 23rd, 2009 at 9:46am
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Offhand is so different than bench rest it's very difficult to get a rifle that will shoot both.  For Schuetzen offhand if you go with a stock that allows you to develop your true potential it won't shoot off a sandbag worth a darn.  

The Pope stock is built to shoot offhand, nothing else. If I take CPA Pope stocked Schuetzen and lay it over my Anschutz 52 bolt action .22 Free rifle comb height drop of hook plate position of palm rest, everything, is the same. Only difference is the Anschutz stock is adjustable.  Harry knew what he was doing 100 years ago.

You cannot get a solid cleaning rod past the Pope comb. I clean the Rimfire barrel with a pull through made out of 50# test mono fishing line. 32/40 use a "spaghetti" rod made from 1/4 inch delrin. Flexible and bends past the comb.  Douglas barrels only need a few passes with an oily patch to come clean. When the barrels are off the action will brush them but nothing ever comes out the oily patch did not remove.

I thought I could switch  CPA barrels on my older action and using a Stevens 52 buttstock  # 5 barrel and flat forend  & get a decent shooting bench gun but was wrong.  Any conventional buttstock & forestock configuration is giving up points to a true benchrest set up.  Others might disagree but, Competition is very strong Bench, without a dedicated bench gun, winning a match is going to be very difficult. Best of barrels is handicapped severely by the wrong stock design.

I shoot a lot of Black Powder in my CPA, but with the 38/55 barrel. That's all I use it for.  32/40 smokeless is going to be easier to get results. 

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