I've been perusing the scores for ASSRA latest match and I see no trational rifles anywhere near the top except in one instance.  I'm curious as to  what rifles the top shooters are using?
Thanks
Phil

 Ok,
My next dumb questions that I cant find the answers to.

I checked the on line rule book for a definition or some idea of what a traditional rifle is. Did not find anything with that title, the only thing I found listed under classes of rifles had to do with caliber, did find the definition of what a single shot rifle is, basically a non-bolt action single shot rifle, made from the civil war era to 1914, then toward the end of the book found what was called a traditional rifle but it was referring to a Buffalo match with crossed sticks, now I don't think that Buffalo rifles would be used in offhand Schuetzen matches, would they, if so then I'm really confused.

Now for my first dumb question, are these civil war era to 1914 rifles the rifles referred to as traditional rifles even though they are not referred to that term in the rule book under classes of rifles ?.

Second dumb question, are the repros of rifles made after 1914 still called traditional rifles ?.

Last dumb question, I hope, what are the newer non bolt action single shot rifles like the Miller, Dakota, etc. that are not copies of anything called, and is there a different category for them. Or how about a original Stevens Walnut Hill that is post 1914, I'm guessing that it would not be traditional.
I know, way to many questions. 
  S-T

Hi Joe,
I don't think it's an Etna Green thing, I think that the ASSRA rule book is used for all ASSRA matches no matter where they are shot.  Thanks for the ISSA Info, I'll go check it out. 

I'm just curious as to how many different categories of matches ASSRA has, I see that they have offhand, benchrest, crossed sticks and I guess  traditional type rifle shooting. And see just about everything from 22 rimfires to Buffalo rifles, seems to be something for everyone. 
S-T

TRADITIONAL RIFLES 

ASSRA TRADITIONAL RIFLE DEFINITION 

1. Any single shot rifle that conforms to ASSRA rules, foreign or domestic, manufactured prior to 1917. Reproductions of pre-1917 patents are allowed. Examples of traditional actions include, but are not limited to, the Ballard, Remington, Sharps, Stevens, Bullard, Maynard, Sharps-Borchardt, Remington-Hepburn, Winchester, Original Farrow, and Wesson. Action types that do not meet the pre-1917 requirement include, but are not limited to, the Ruger, Peregrine, Miller, Falling Block Works, Hall, modern Browning, modern Winchester and Thompson/Center. Questionable Rifles must be pre-approved by the Schuetzenmeister to qualify for Traditional class. 

2. Technology cutoff of circa-1917 as regards patents, sights, cartridges, loading techniques, and general configuration of the Schuetzen rifle. Stocks must be of traditional design. No thumbhole stocks. No modern block style or flared-bottom forearms. Old-style muzzle rest "feet" are allowed, but must be attached to the barrel. No modern Olympic-style sights, diopters, adjustable buttplates, plastic sight inserts, or "Bloop tubes”. 

3. Any pre-1917 telescopic sight or faithful reproductions thereof. External adjustment Lyman, Unertl, Fecker, and Litchert scopes are specifically allowed by name. Click adjustment allowed only on those iron sights having this feature prior to 1917, or faithful reproductions of those sights. (An example of a click-adjustable iron sight available prior to 1917 is the Lyman 103, marketed in 1915) 



Anyone who wants their match scores to be recognized as having been shot with a traditional rifle may mark their target with a “T” 

Please mark the “T” near the scoring area.   
   

Thanks again for the explanation Quarter Bore, I just finished reading the ISSA rules that Joe pointed me to and then started reading your new ASSRA rules, then stopped and thought, wait a minute, I just read this on the ISSA site word for word. I guess what ASSRA has done was just copy the ISSA rules. 

It's a great idea to try an keep the older type rifles separate from others, this way a person can get a better idea of just how good the scores are of today using as close as to original equipment as possible verses the scores of the old days.

Glad to see that the scopes have to be External adjustment, somehow a Schuetzen rifle with a modern type Internal adjustment scope does not look right to me on a Schuetzen rifle. 

The idea of marking the target as to what type of rifle was used is a good one and easy to do, as you said it gives extra prestige to those doing so. You say there are no separate Traditional matches and all the scores are thrown into one pot, but by marking a T on the target doesn't that sort of separate them, now that there is a description of what a traditional rifle is do you think it would be a good idea to have separate matches for them. Should be easy to do with your T marking on the target.

Maybe another way to promote the shooting of traditional rifles and encourage the shooting of these sorts of rifles would be to keep separate records for them. Or is this already being done.
  S-T

I enjoy my friends who attend the various shoots i.e. fellowship.
But everyone would love to win simply I suppose competitiveness
is inherent in our species. Folks always try to better their personal
scores.

fred