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Re: J. Stevens Arms & Tool Co. Corp. Records
Reply #15 - Jun 22nd, 2009 at 8:57pm
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Well,
It seems that there are a lot of guys interested in shooting and collecting the Stevens, so far we have Creedmoormatch,  slumlord44, marlinguy,
red_stevens,  oodmoff,  JBBOOKS  and myself and I'm sure there are many others.   

But so far the Moderator or whoever the web master of this forum is hasn't responded to anyone's request or question as to whether it can be done,  not even to the point of an acknowledgement that he would look into it,  maybe he hasn't seen this thread as to having a Stevens category on this website, has anyone contacted him directly with the question ?.

  Bottom line is we have a group of guys wanting a Stevens section but so far no one has stepped up and offered to help set up a Stevens Group other than myself.  Anyway my offer still stands, but I believe in member involvement so I wont do it by myself. 

Or is this just a one of those  "I wish"  things or a  "I want"  type thing and you guys are just waiting for someone else to do it for you.
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Re: J. Stevens Arms & Tool Co. Corp. Records
Reply #16 - Jun 22nd, 2009 at 10:59pm
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I don't have a dog in this fight as I am not interested in nor do I currently own a Stevens rifle, however, I feel it would be a little cumbersome for ASSRA and its moderators to set up specialty fora (that's the real plural of forum) for Stevens collectors, then of course the really significant single shots like the Winchester 'walls and the Ballards should have their own fora, then the Borchardts and the Maynards, and who knows where it will end??  I would suggest that you might wish to do as somebody already suggested and start an affinity group in Yahoo or some place similar.  I'm not seriously dissing your brand, but asking for a whole category forum for it on this venue is probably not going to happen.

JMHO, probably worth what you paid for it!

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Re: J. Stevens Arms & Tool Co. Corp. Records
Reply #17 - Jun 22nd, 2009 at 11:42pm
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As much as I enjoy Stevens rifles, I have to agree with Charlie. If we had a special forum for Stevens, I'd have to demand a Ballard forum too! Smiley
  

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Re: J. Stevens Arms & Tool Co. Corp. Records
Reply #18 - Jun 23rd, 2009 at 12:35am
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If you guys get your own special Stevens and Winchester thread then I'll want a Remington thread. Whats wrong with Remingtons? Whats wrong with Hepburns? It's just not fair!   Sad   Couldnt be any worse than a  Martini thread............. could it??  Undecided

                       Joe.  Grin

I just had a thought,  Cheesy  Why not just go ahead and start a Stevens thread in the collecting section ? 

I just realized I'm posting on a Stevens thread right now!
  

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Re: J. Stevens Arms & Tool Co. Corp. Records
Reply #19 - Jun 23rd, 2009 at 1:04am
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Adding more catagories, like they have at RimfireCentral, would create more work for the moderators here.   For that reason, staying with the status quo may be the best choice.  Its easy to discuss any Stevens issue by just choosing the current catagory of best fit and inserting  Stevens in the new threads title so that all of us who are interested can find it and get some information or contribute what we know.   No extra work for anyone.  
However, if you are a Stevens collector who is unaware of the ASSRA forum and you search the web for a place to discuss Stevens with those of like interest you might not find this forum.  If you search Marlin, Winchester, Remington, Sharps, Savage, and many other makers you will easily find a collectors forum through google or yahoo search engines.  Stevens brings up very little.  Even, Rimfire central that has a sub section for nearly every maker leaves Stevens to be found in Others.  
I guess we need to pass around the word that this forum exists and its a good place for Stevens collectors to go.  I also wonder if I post a question about a Stevens pistol or pump rifle that I may be off topic in the ASSRA single shot rifle Forum.  I usually post questions about these on the Savage Collectors section of 24 Hour Campfire website.  There are some real authorities there who are extremely helpful like Pact and GeneB.  They both read this forum as well.  
For me,  its all about learning and making collecting more fun by helping others and sharing no matter where it takes place.  That is why this forum and many others are so incredible.  All the forums I frequent have members who are generous to a fault with their time,knowledge, and sometimes with parts and services.  Its reassuring to know that so many fine gentlemen and women still are around in a world where there seem to be many preditors who are lurking and looking to take advantage.  
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Re: J. Stevens Arms & Tool Co. Corp. Records
Reply #20 - Jun 23rd, 2009 at 9:24pm
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See my post under Feedback and Suggestions at the bottom of the website.
The BPCR website has seperate sections for all the manufacturers. Setting it up would require a programing change. Not sure if anything would be required after it is set up. The chiefs at ASSRA seem to be opposed to change from what I have seen so far. I am  not a chief, but feel that as a paid member I am entitled to make suggestions.
This is my favorite website and the participatents here are as good as it gets. Typical, or better than typical hobby situation where folks are always willing to try to help out the other guy. I am not a great computer guy but would be glad to try to help and at least support any type of Stevens group if one would be started.
  
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Reply #21 - Jun 23rd, 2009 at 9:26pm
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The Green one and others have spoken, and I agree, everyone would want there own little section, and that's not what this forum is all about. That's why I suggested a Yahoo Group that would be dedicated to Stevens. 

I think it would work but it would take some help from others that also have the same interest and would contribute serial numbers, pictures,  and other Info that could be stored in the group archives.  It doesn't look like that's going to happen so I think it would be best to just forget about  it. 
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Re: J. Stevens Arms & Tool Co. Corp. Records
Reply #22 - Jun 24th, 2009 at 8:00am
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Instead of going off into their own little world why not stay here and exchange information on Stevens rifles. The point of the web site is to exchange knowledge. Who knows somebody might learn something. If there is someone who has no interset in a thread they can just skip it. 

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Reply #23 - Jun 24th, 2009 at 1:16pm
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40Rod,
I think it's more of a collectors thing, saving Info and pictures in an organized manner makes it much easer to find what a member is looking for.  I know this forum is not about any one mfg. but we already have a "Collecting Single Shot Rifles"  section, it's just not organized in any way. It's just a jumble of everything and anything, seems to be just one big Misc section and still no way to store or archive any Pictures or Files in an organized manner.

I think what a lot of guys would like to have what is called an archives section to save Info for the future such as serial numbers etc. etc., It would be nice if the Picture that Red Stevens put up of the star number and the one I put up of the number 4 inside a circle stamped on the right side of the barrel could be saved in some type of Stevens Photo Album or a Stevens File that members could go to whenever they want to.

In no time at all this and other Info will be lost or buried under hundreds of other post that have nothing to do with Stevens or the pictures. If something like what is done in the yahoo groups with Photo Albums and Files sections could be done here there would be no reason for anyone to go any where else to look for this type of Historical collector Info. As to it being a burden on the moderators let the member that wants that type of Photo Album, Files etc. take care of it. They want it, let them have it, and let them take care of it. 

I'll never forget what the officials of a club that I belong to said to a member that commented that the club house looked like it needed a paint job, they more or less agreed, handed him a brush and a gallon of paint and told him to have at it. He was not that happy about doing it but at least the officials did not resist him by saying forget it, and now we have a nicely painted club house that everyone enjoys.
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Re: J. Stevens Arms & Tool Co. Corp. Records
Reply #24 - Jun 24th, 2009 at 5:50pm
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If we add a Stevens section, we should also add a HI/LOW wall section. Then, why not a schuetzen, BPCR, Sharps, Ballard, Comblain ??,see where we're going?            MIKE Huh Huh
  
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Reply #25 - Jun 24th, 2009 at 9:49pm
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Mike,
I see exactly where we would be going, we would be preserving the historic Info that may be available from time to time from older and more knowledgeable members and it could be compiled in an organized manner for all to enjoy for years to come. 

I agree, it would be nice if there was a HI/LOW wall section etc. etc. etc. but only if the members wanted it, and then only if someone would accept the responsibly of taking care of it or running it, such as up loading the Info or pictures.  If that can happen then there is no burden on others, only on the ones that want the archives, and then the only work involved is the up loading of the info.   

I know this is not a collectors forum but we already have a "Collecting Single Shot Rifles" section that could be used, right now it's a jumbled mess, nothing is organized in it and there's no way to store or archive any Pictures or Files of any kind in any organized manner. 

Guys, it's only a suggestion to improve things and preserve the history of what we seem to be interested in, what's the big deal to give it a try, if it doesn't work dump it, but if something can be done it would be a big help to the younger guys in the future, otherwise a lot of the Info that the older guys have will be lost forever when they pass on.
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Re: J. Stevens Arms & Tool Co. Corp. Records
Reply #26 - Jun 24th, 2009 at 10:16pm
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I have to agree completely with SetTriger and Red Stevens. If it were a matter of painting the building, or even toataly rebulilding it, I could be a great deal of help in setting something up. When it comes to major computer stuff, I am of no help. The fact that the accumulated knowledge, and resources that the people here have, may be lost as we older guys pass on, is a sobering thought. Maybe I should consider leaving my collection of reference material to the ASSRA after I am gone. Is this a good idea?
  
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Re: J. Stevens Arms & Tool Co. Corp. Records
Reply #27 - Jun 25th, 2009 at 4:29pm
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slumlord44,
Leaving your reference material to the ASSRA, or to someone that would make good use of it is a smart idea,  but only if it becomes available to others.

I don't know how ASSRA handles reference material or where they keep it, but if it's not on line you may be better off leaving your collection of reference material to a friend that has the time to help others by sharing the knowledge on line.

This is not the 1960's,  it's 2009, and in my opinion one of the best ways to preserve and share the knowledge that we have is to put it on a computer in an organized way.  Usually the best way of doing something like this is to donated your Info to an association with the stipulation that it be made available to others when they need it, and preferably on line.

Another way would be for said association to put it online in some sort of organized File or Section like we have been talking about, this way someone looking for certain info could look it up on there own. 

From the non-response from the moderators and other ASSRA officials 
I don't think that's going to happen on this forum, maybe the site can not handle Files or Archive anything, or maybe the guy that set up the site does not have the time to set it up for Files or a Photo Album, so again you may be better off leaving your info to someone that has the time, same interest that you have, and the knowledge of putting  it on line. It's the way of the future.

 I just read this on the ASSRA home page: 
Membership in the ASSRA includes:
"Access to the renowned ASSRA Archives, one of the world's most extensive libraries and repositories of shooting literature, memorabilia and artifacts."  Sorry I assumed that ASSRA did not have archives, I guess you have to be a member to gain access to the ASSRA Archives, maybe all this noise about Files and Archives was for nothing. Does anyone know what memorabilia and artifacts they have ? are there pictures of them that members can look at ?.
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Re: J. Stevens Arms & Tool Co. Corp. Records
Reply #28 - Jun 25th, 2009 at 11:53pm
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I am a member and they do have a lot of material. I believe some of it can be loaned out. To my knowledge it has not been computerized and made available on line. I don't know where you would have to go to physicaly review material. I have a lot of repo catalogs and a fair amount of old original books and material. I don't know an individual to leave it to. I am 64 and in good health. Plan to be around for a while. The one thing I am certain about is I am going to die at some point in time.  My guns will be sold as part of my estate. I would like to see the books and printed material go to a suitable place wher the information would be made widely available. If it is not available, it is in the wrong place. Anybody in power know if there are plans to computerize the archives?
  
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Re: J. Stevens Arms & Tool Co. Corp. Records
Reply #29 - Jun 28th, 2009 at 9:19am
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Yes the ASSRA does maintain an archive Rudi Prusok is the ASSRA Archivist and updates the archives as new material becomes available. The archives are available to members who have questions. Rudi usually copies the pages that you want and sends them out to you. There is a fee per page and for the postage. To the best of my knowledge little of the material has been transferred to digital form. 
  I do know that Byron Goff is transferring all of the single shot rifle News / Journals to digital and you can purchase a disc with the first few years of Gerald Kelver’s mimeographed news letters that Byron has put to disc. I am now sending digital files of the Journals to him to help from this end. 
  For those of you who are wondering yes you can donate your material to the ASSRA Archives. Rudi goes through the new material that comes in and categorizes it. He will also evaluate the material in relationship to material in the Archives copies of books or papers that are in better shape or more complete are added to the shelf and material that we have multiple copies of are made available for sale to members through the Bookshelf. 
  I don’t know why it is a surprise to some that the access to the archives is a privilege of membership in the ASSRA. It would seem to me that if it the history and lore of single shot rifles is important to you, then membership in the only organization actively preserving that knowledge would not be a burden. 

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