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J. Stevens Arms & Tool Co. Corp. Records
Apr 28th, 2009 at 8:51am
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      Most people who have even a passing interest in the J. Stevens production rifles (and pistols) and who have done any amount of reading on the subject knows the story regarding the disposition of the company's corporate records at or about the end of WW II.

      I am most interested it pursuing the subject of what is remaining of the original written history of the company and it's activities during the entire period of it's existence, i.e., prior to the Savage acquisition.

      There are any number of historical repositories containing records which were external to J. Stevens and which did not meet with the process of purging undertaken by the company.  An example would be the National Archives in Washington, D.C.

       I have prepared a preliminary plan for uncovering as much information from "official sources", but would like to hear from any of our constituents who either have a desire to participate or who have information to share.

       Please advise.

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Re: J. Stevens Arms & Tool Co. Corp. Records
Reply #1 - Apr 28th, 2009 at 12:02pm
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      Back in the 80's, someone was forming a "STEVENS COLLECTORS ASSOCIATION", did it ever happen?    MIKE  Huh
  
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Re: J. Stevens Arms & Tool Co. Corp. Records
Reply #2 - Apr 28th, 2009 at 8:37pm
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I would definately be interested in seeing what you can come up with. I would be willing to help if there is anything I could do. I accumulate any thing I can that is Stevens. Have a fair collection of resource books, old and new, reprinted cataloges, and any original stuff that I can afford to buy when I come across it. I am also interested in a Stevens orginization of some sort if possible. It seems to me that there should be enough Stevens collectors out there to justify some type of orginization. I know a guy in St. Louis Mo that is into pistols. Also a vendor at the New Berlin Ill gun show has a collection. There has to be more of us out there.
  
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Reply #3 - Apr 29th, 2009 at 3:02pm
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I would certainly be interested in contributing, even if its only on a small scale, as i don't have much in the way of resources that you all probably already have.  However, much like the other associations I belong to, I would certainly be willing to contribute some very petty cash for aid in start up.   I've harrassed Mr. Dutcher the last few years at the Colorado Collectors Show to try to write a comprehensive book on Stevens much in the way he did for Ballard.  As he certainly possessed and still possess some fine examples.  He said it took him 6 or 7 years to get thru the Ballard book, and didn't think he had the steam for Stevens although it crossed his mind many times.  One thing is for sure, once the historians are gone theres little history left if not written.
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Re: J. Stevens Arms & Tool Co. Corp. Records
Reply #4 - Apr 29th, 2009 at 10:55pm
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Stevens collectors are an elusive bunch! Wink  Since the information on Stevens firearms is so full of holes most people have more questions than answers. The 44 1/2 is probably one of the easier models to figure out dates, etc. since the production was so limited in both numbers and time frame.
  

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Reply #5 - May 3rd, 2009 at 9:44am
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    Thanks for all your thoughts and input thus far.  The idea of a Joshua Stevens Society is very appealing, somewhat similar to the Remington Society.

     Paul Shuttleworth would be the guy to talk to about such a project, and I will approach him on the topic when I see him in a couple of weeks in Dingmans Ferry (PA).

     I envision this effort to be more than just the J. Stevens arms. As you know, the company produced a wide array of tools, mostly machinist tools, as well as involvement in the automotive industry.

     I am currently pursuing whether the company founder, Joshua Stevens had descendants, and whether or not his heirs are living currently.  Perhaps there is oral history to be found in them, and perhaps even documents which escaped the company purge.

     I have been in contact with Savage Arms, and will let you know the results of those exchanges shortly.

     Thanks for your interest,

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Reply #6 - May 3rd, 2009 at 12:24pm
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Sure hope something can get started on Stevens! There are more Stevens collectors than people realise, they just don't have a place to share info, or a good resource book to document the products.
I remember Marlins and Ballards being in a similar situation before Brophy's Marlin book, and Dutcher's Ballard book. The change was dramatic after Bill wrote the book on Marlins. Prior to that they were cheap, and common, but afterwards the prices really climbed!
Keep that in mind. It's a double edged sword, so if there's better info, then the prices will skyrocket!
  

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Reply #7 - Jun 17th, 2009 at 12:30am
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I am trying to track down a date of Manufacture on a model 44 was told to contact a John Callaghan in Mass.  He has only a couple hours in the day when he will answer his phone.  He doesn't take messages.
I do have a address.
Is this firearm classified as an antique in the USA?
The Cal is 25-20 Single Shot.
Serial # 43XXX
I got this contact's information right from Savage.

Thanks Ken  Wink
  

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Reply #8 - Jun 17th, 2009 at 12:18pm
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Ken,

This is only my opinion or best guess.  My understanding is that Stevens moved the extractor from a side position to the 6 o'clock position in 1900.  I have a 25-20 SS with a 25 RF barrel, # is in the 26XXX range. It has a center extractor. I have a 28-30 on a 44 action, same center extractor.  IIRC, Stevens only made the 28-30 on a 44 action from 1900 until the 4 1/2 came around in 1903 or 1904.  The 28-30 has a # in the 28XXX range.  And I have another 25-20 SS on a 44 action, same center extractor, with a # in the 43XXX range.  My understanding is that Stevens continued making the 44 action for rimfires and for the 25-20 SS until the Depression.  Whatever you learn, please keep us posted.

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Reply #9 - Jun 17th, 2009 at 10:25pm
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Serial numbers wont do much good with Stevens, as it seems they didn't assemble in any particular order. I've seen Stevens' with higher numbers exhibit features that would date them lower than those with lower numbers.
I doubt if you get through to Callaghan that he will be of any assistance either. No Stevens records exist.
  

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Reply #10 - Jun 18th, 2009 at 8:37pm
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Lets go back to the original post. I for one am interested in a Stevens orginazation or website. Some place for us Stevens nuts to gather and share info.
  
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Reply #11 - Jun 19th, 2009 at 12:15am
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I am very interested in a Stevens Forum or maybe a Stevens catagory being added to this website.  This is just about the only place to discuss these firearms online.   Maybe the webmaster would consider adding it.  I am beginning to collect Stevens Pistols and Pocket Rifles.  I now have 3 and am in the process of acquiring another.  I just received the Cope book and have read it cover to cover twice.  I found a website to buy the West book but I must wait to see how my pending purchase comes out to see if I have an $ left.  I am concentrating on the target model pistols initially and will add pocket rifles as the opportunities to purchase them and available funds develope.  I have a Lord, Conlin, and Diamond with the Gould in process now.   
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Reply #12 - Jun 19th, 2009 at 1:13am
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Last time I checked I had over a hundred guns with the Stevens name on them. I have a few pistols but most are rifles with a shotgun or two thrown in. I have the books you mentioned plus everything in print that I have found over many years. I am definately interested. Who do we have to convince??
  
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Reply #13 - Jun 19th, 2009 at 2:46pm
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slumlord44,
Or anyone else interested.
If for some reason a Stevens category can not be added to this website and you want to pursue something like this try starting up a Yahoo Group.  Call it something like The Stevens Collecting and Shooting Society. Or what ever you want to call it. 

The Yahoo Groups are very easy to set up and run, I help run two of them for the S&W and Colt Collectors and belong to a few others. I don't know much of anything about computers, so if I can do it anyone can, if you decide you want to do something like this let me know and I'll help set it up. There are sections for serial number files, message archives, Photo Albums etc. etc.
And the thing that a lot of the members like about it is that it's private and at no cost to anyone.
 
The Ruger # 1 guys did this and in no time at all it started growing, it now has over 1200 group members and the group has all kinds of serial number Info, shooting tips, and a lot of pictures of the different types of Ruger # 1's. 
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Reply #14 - Jun 20th, 2009 at 7:06am
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I am interested in Stevens              collecting and think a Stevens catagory  on this website would be good.   I have three old Favorites and always looking for the next one to restore.     JB
  
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