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Commercially available lead hardness testers
Apr 23rd, 2009 at 10:48pm
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Some time ago I acquired a lead hardness tester along with a bunch of BPCR related reloading and shooting items, a lot of it came with Browning BPCR rifles I buy and resell.  It’s a CabinTree Dual Purpose Tester sold by Jim Cornaggia at CabinTree LLC.  I’ve since sold most of the stuff but kept the CabinTree tester even though I also have an LBT tester.  So let’s discuss the pros and cons of currently available lead hardness testers.

There may be others, but I’m only aware of four reasonably priced commercial testers on the market for reloaders.  They are available from Lee Precision, LBT, SAECO and CabinTree.  I have not used the more recent Lee Precision unit, but have used the SAECO, LBT and now the CabinTree tester.  Of the three the CabinTree is, in my estimation, by far the best for several reasons I’ll touch on below.

Lee Precision: I’ve heard good things about the Lee Precision unit, especially the price, but it is rather slow to use, requires the use of a pencil-like microscope (included) and somewhat subjective measurements.  Plus some setup modification would have to be made to measure large pieces of lead such as 1lb ingots, etc.  It requires the use of a cross reference or conversion chart to determine the Brinell hardness number (BHN).  For a good article go to (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links).  
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The SAECO tester has been around for many years.  It certainly has a small and handy form factor but because of the form factor it’s pretty much limited to testing cast bullets.  It’s the highest priced of all and requires using a conversion chart to obtain the BHN.
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Re: Commercially available lead hardness testers
Reply #1 - Apr 23rd, 2009 at 10:52pm
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The LBT tester has also been available for many years.  It's the only tester that's directly calibrated in BHN (no conversion scale required).  It's fast to use but will not handle tall bullets or thick ingots.  Although the unit I purchased directly from LBT seems to work fine for the harder alloys typically found in hard-cast bullets, I found that it's inaccurate when measuring pure lead or the softer alloys BPCR shooters use.
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CabinTree offers two tester models.  The Standard Lead Tester is designed for only testing lead hardness.  The Dual Purpose Tester not only measures lead hardness, but also bullet runout, case concentricity, case wall thickness and bullet roundness.  The testers are extremely sturdy, very well made and will handle just about any shape of lead, including standard bullets, thin sheets of lead to much thicker ingots.  Testing is fast and repeatable.  Another big plus is the ability to easily recalibrate the testers should something unforeseen happen such as knocking the unit off the loading bench on to a concrete floor.  Both testers do require a cross-reference chart to obtain the BHN.  I really like the tester and can vouch that Jim Cornaggia is a great guy to buy from.  He continues to support his products after the sale.  
The Standard Lead Tester is $103.  The Dual Purpose Tester is $127.  Check out the testers and Jim’s other products at (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)

By the way, if price is the overriding factor, you can make your own tester with a single ball bearing in a vice as long as you have access to a flat piece of lead of known hardness.  The known hardness lead is used as a reference.  The lead to be measured must also be flat since the ball bearing is squeezed between it and the reference lead.  The ball bearing indentations are measured and a somewhat simple mathematical calculation is made to determine the hardness.

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Re: Commercially available lead hardness testers
Reply #2 - Apr 24th, 2009 at 10:35am
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The Lee Precision lead hardness tester inserts into your loading press and they work really well. The index scale they provide for the indent ball measurements do not go low enough so you have to project what they might be for lead alloys less than 20:1 or if you are trying to confirm if you have a sample of pure lead.

It will test anything you can slide on top of the shell holder in your loading press or a V slot holder to hold a bullet you wish to assess.
  
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Reply #3 - Apr 24th, 2009 at 1:43pm
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I also started a similar thread on another forum.  Several persons responded, also with favorable comments on the Lee unit.   

It appears we’ve narrowed it down to either the Lee or CabinTree. Concerning the CabinTree, it was an unfair statement to suggest the calibration would change if it were dropped on the floor. The unit is so stoutly made it’s highly unlikely the calibration would be affected but the dial indicator could get damaged. Over time, if the main spring does change slightly, due to the recalibration ability, it could be easily adjusted back into spec. 

Also, one fellow responded with a link ( (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)) on the details of the cheap ball bearing method.  If there were ever a question if the Lee or CabinTree was in spec, this would also be a good method to use as a cross check.

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