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J. pickup
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Apr 22nd, 2009 at 10:20am
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Please stop spreading FUD about Gun control.THe treaty referred to says NOTHING about reloading-read it.I tired about this sort of crap, i can read all i want to on the CALGUNS.net forum.The UN is not going to take away our guns, Obama might try but the UN is a laughingstock.
Now if the NRA sent this, i might be a little worred, but i've not heard from them.
  
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Reply #1 - Apr 22nd, 2009 at 10:45am
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are you Elmer FUD dude ? 

I assume you don't read nor follow the news?   

right now there is clash going on in our government concerning the degree of gun control to impose. The Democrats realized that the last time they tried this they lost control to the Republican party. Eric Holder (Obama's AG) wanted to reimpose the "assault rifle ban" but the Democratic Congress told him no because of the political fallout. 

Just recently OBAMA was in Mexico talking about stemming the flow of and controlling firearms from this country, blaming their violence on the firearms coming from this country

It wasn't that long ago that the shooting community rallied,wrote  and put a stop on the regulation of sporting black powder shipments. The NRA didn't have that one first. It was discovered by a professor buried in some OSHA regulations. I assume you thought (or would have thought) that was FUD (Elmer) also?

Its important to keep our elected officials reminded of our opinion, instead of hoping someone else will watch out for us.
  
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Reply #2 - Apr 22nd, 2009 at 2:42pm
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I presume from the last reply, that whoever he is, he doesn't understand internet speak, FUD means "Fear, uncertenty, Doubt"
  
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Reply #3 - Apr 22nd, 2009 at 3:47pm
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I just wanted to remind you'all about the boy who cried wolf-he died because he cried "wolf" too often. As for my potilical position, i didn't vote for YOU KNOW WHO, what else could i do, also my Senators are so left wing as to make them look like Stalin ? Writing to them would be a waiste of my time.AS to these right-wingers who compained about me, i have known two very nice old right wingers. They were fine, outstanding persons.One of them even retired on a US 30-year Civil Service retirement, in spite of the fact he had been in the SS during the war. How many Jews he shot i don't know, but he was a very nice fellow, and a friend of my father.
  
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Reply #4 - Apr 22nd, 2009 at 6:57pm
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Since the vast majority of what is spread is actually true, I'd hardly call it "crying wolf". Even if a small portion is partly wrong, or incomplete, it's usually based on what has certainly been planned.
The UN is antigun, and any rumors suggesting they plan to try antigun initiatives may not be true, and may not be possible to impose on US citizens, but it darn sure wont stop them from trying!
When it comes to gun alerts I don't disregard anything, and I don't stop listening just because a few of the alerts are in error. Maybe if this was 150 years ago I could agree with your FUD stance.
  

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Re: Re:FUD
Reply #5 - Apr 22nd, 2009 at 9:02pm
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instead of arguing amongst ourselves maybe y'all should be sending letters etc to your elected officials and raising hell with them.
if there is one thing i rwally hate on the rifle range and or in my home besides alcohol is politics.
so aim your comments and feelings where they will do the most good
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Reply #6 - Apr 25th, 2009 at 2:32pm
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Please stop spreading FUD about Gun control.THe treaty referred to says NOTHING about reloading-read it.

J. Pickup,
I only looked into this thread because I noticed that somebody had played the FUD card...and wondered why.

When one reads the document (as you recommend) he finds...

The U.N. document in question is named the "Inter-American Convention Against the Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives, and Other Related Materials"

According to Article 1, the following definitions shall apply: 

1. "Illicit manufacturing": the manufacture or assembly of firearms, ammunition, explosives, and other related materials: 

a. from components or parts illicitly trafficked; or 

b. without a license from a competent governmental authority of the State Party where the manufacture or assembly takes place; or 

c. without marking the firearms that require marking at the time of manufacturing.

Still in Article 1's list of definitions...

4. "Ammunition": the complete round or its components, including cartridge cases, primers, propellant powder, bullets, or projectiles that are used in any firearm.


Reading the document as written, assembly of ammunition from individual components...without a government license...would be called 'illicit manufacture'.  In addition, the same term could be applied to the act of casting bullets.

I will remind you that phrase (illicit manufacture) exists in the title of the document.
Having read it for you, do you now understand that reloading IS one of the activities this treaty could restrict?
Do you see how casting, or swaging cores into copper jackets, is considered 'manufacturing' even if there is no intent to sell the result?

You may be anti-political yourself, or apolitical (like irish66), but that's no reason to remain ignorant.

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Reply #7 - Apr 25th, 2009 at 3:34pm
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Our President can sign what he wants, it still needs 2/3 of the Senate to pass, since we still have 42 or 43 Republications in the sentate`you do the math. I'm not worried about this treaty.Rebember President Wilson and the League of Nations.?
  
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Reply #8 - Apr 26th, 2009 at 1:27pm
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I hate to put fuel on the fire, but, they will never take our guns, they cannot! The way the second amendment was written, they cannot take our guns! But, I have not seen anywhere, that protects us, against ammo control!
Every True American, needs to be aware of the Wolf in Sheep's Clothing!! We have to stand up and not allow this to happen!! If we are truely a free nation, the people have control, and we need to let the Goverment know, it is not the will of the people, to band ammo, or the components to make our own ammo!

This is my sole option on being a American!
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Reply #9 - Apr 27th, 2009 at 8:50pm
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please do not say "never" - the current president and attorney general both do not believe that the second ammendment gives the private citizen the right to own firearms (I believe they truely know better it just doesn't fit into their political agenda).  Thomas Jefferson was very clear in the Jefferson Papers that it meant firearm ownership by the common citizen and that was the only way to keep the government in check.  All it takes is the right appellant and supreme court judges and they will not have to legislate it.  their response will be "it wasn't us".  its alot closer than you think.  the question is when the time comes what will you be willing to do about it.
you all have a good day now - the rimfire - cdpersons
  
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Reply #10 - Apr 28th, 2009 at 6:03am
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Considering how many US citizens own firearms, they can "never" disarm us unless we choose to not resist enmass. What good is the intent of the Secon Amendment if we choose to meekly submit to unconstitutional actions on the part of the government?

I now believe that, to a large extent, we have mis-focused our efforts on such constitutional issues as gun ownership/Second Amendment rights. I believe we overlooked the necessity of holding our state legislatures accountable for what the Federal government does. The states formed the Constitution and are an integral part of the system.  EVERYONE needs to find, read and memorize the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution. 

I ask all who read this, if the elected officials (or bureaucrats) in Washington willfully ignore the Constitutiion does not that make (1) the Constitution null and void or (2) the Federal government illegimate? If the politicians believe the document to be out of date, then amend it if they can. Otherwise OBEY it! As far as I am concerned any elected official who has taken an oath to "protect and defend the Constitution aganinst all enemies both foreign and domestic" then willing tries to subjugate our Constitutional rights to foreign or international law is a traitor!

If indeed there are some 80 million gun owners in this country, too many have chosen for too long to bury their heads in the sand and vote for this crap apparently believing they can have the socialists/liberals without also having their agenda.
  
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Re: Re:FUD
Reply #11 - Apr 28th, 2009 at 8:46am
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Don has a point here most of the really restrictive (and unconstitutional) legislation comes out of state and local legislators, the DC gun ban for instance. Hold your local political hacks feet to the fire. Keep your eyes peeled for anti gun legislation. Write your state and local politicians about bills that you oppose, and don’t forget to thank then occasionally for supporting us when they do. Remember to be polite and if on the phone don’t yell it’s the quickest way to be pigeon holed as a dangerous nut. 

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Reply #12 - Apr 28th, 2009 at 12:10pm
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As far as I am concerned any elected official who has taken an oath to "protect and defend the Constitution aganinst all enemies both foreign and domestic" then willing tries to subjugate our Constitutional rights to foreign or international law is a traitor!
People in many walks of life take that oath.  Not just politicians, it includes military and (many) police personnel.

There is a newly formed group of people who have already taken that oath...but who are publicly 're-affirming' it to let government, and their neighbors, know that they still feel obligated to uphold it.
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They are looking for support to swell their ranks.  Who knows, maybe you can even shame your local politicians into reaffirming theirs...

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