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is0086s Full Member Offline Bob Ryan Posts: 151 Location: minnesota Joined: Nov 10^th, 2004	357 maximum as CBS/Schuetzen cartridge? Apr 7^th, 2009 at 6:24pm	Print Post
	Has anyone looked into using this case for plain base lead bullets fir CBA and/or Schuetzen rifles?

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is0086s Full Member Offline Bob Ryan Posts: 151 Location: minnesota Joined: Nov 10^th, 2004	Re: 357 maximum as CBS/Schuetzen cartridge? Reply #1 - Apr 7^th, 2009 at 6:27pm	Print Post
	Many apologies - I sent it before I checked it. CBS = CBA and fir = for.

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38_Cal Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2255 Location: Montezuma, Iowa Joined: Apr 27^th, 2005	Re: 357 maximum as CBS/Schuetzen cartridge? Reply #2 - Apr 7^th, 2009 at 6:53pm	Print Post
	I built a Martini 12/15 converted to centerfire into one, for use with breech seated bullets only. 14" twist Douglas barrel, 200-220 gr. bullets. Haven't shot it in a couple of years...too many guns, not enough time! I don't have my load notebook here, I can get the info for you later though. David Montezuma, IA

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rimfire Ex Member	Re: 357 maximum as CBS/Schuetzen cartridge? Reply #3 - Apr 7^th, 2009 at 8:42pm	Print Post
	are you talking as a 357 or another caliber? I believe that there are several variations of the 357 max case necked down to 32 cal. the rimfire - cdpersons


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18006 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: 357 maximum as CBS/Schuetzen cartridge? Reply #4 - Apr 7^th, 2009 at 9:33pm	Print Post
	Dimensionally I believe the .357 maximum is very close to the old .35 Maynard, which was a pretty accurate cartridge. No reason a cast bullet version of the .357 Max wouldn't do well in a suitable gun.

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38_Cal Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2255 Location: Montezuma, Iowa Joined: Apr 27^th, 2005	Re: 357 maximum as CBS/Schuetzen cartridge? Reply #5 - Apr 7^th, 2009 at 9:36pm	Print Post
	The cartridge is closer to the .38 XL Ballard, but instead of using heeled bullets, and a .375" groove diameter, I used a .357 barrel and bullets to match. David Montezuma, IA

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bnice Frequent Elocutionist Online Posts: 1958 Location: Iowa Joined: Nov 30^th, 2006	Re: 357 maximum as CBS/Schuetzen cartridge? Reply #6 - Apr 7^th, 2009 at 9:39pm	Print Post
	I know a guy who used to shoot the CBA matches with the .357 max and it shot very well. (he used gas checked bullets. Don't know if he ever shot it with plain base bullets.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18006 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: 357 maximum as CBS/Schuetzen cartridge? Reply #7 - Apr 7^th, 2009 at 9:54pm	Print Post
	38_Cal wrote on Apr 7^th, 2009 at 9:36pm: The cartridge is closer to the .38 XL Ballard, but instead of using heeled bullets, and a .375" groove diameter, I used a .357 barrel and bullets to match. David Montezuma, IA Yes, the Ballard .38XL is closer in length, (1.59" vs. 1.63") where the Maynard is a longer 2.06", but the Maynard did use a closer sized bullet at .360"

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is0086s Full Member Offline Bob Ryan Posts: 151 Location: minnesota Joined: Nov 10^th, 2004	Re: 357 maximum as CBS/Schuetzen cartridge? Reply #8 - Apr 7^th, 2009 at 11:11pm	Print Post
	Interesting! I have been thinking about the 357 maximum since I looked at it and thought about a 35 cal equivalent to the 32 Ideal. I have wondered about bullet selection however - although I have bought custom moulds in the past. I see it as allowing a heavier bullet than my 32-40 without going to a 375 and I can't find anyone with a 33-47 reamer. 38-cal: Did you have any problem finding a rifle reamer for the 357 maximum? And while I'm talking at you, are you still interested in those velo dog cartridges?

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38_Cal Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2255 Location: Montezuma, Iowa Joined: Apr 27^th, 2005	Re: 357 maximum as CBS/Schuetzen cartridge? Reply #9 - Apr 7^th, 2009 at 11:48pm	Print Post
	I had Dave Manson make me a reamer with a 1 1/2 degree throat on it for fixed or breechseated bullets, with no rim cut. Pilot is for standard rifle barrel specs, and I just use a boring bar for the rim recess. I can cut any length chamber from .38 Short Colt on up to longer than the Maximum if I want to use the reamer as a neck reamer on a wildcat. I've put the Velo Dog project on long term hold while I try to get the shop completed and operational. David Montezuma, IA

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Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 4228 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Re: 357 maximum as CBS/Schuetzen cartridge? Reply #10 - Apr 8^th, 2009 at 5:47pm	Print Post
	Both the .25 RKS and the .32 RKS are Schuetzen calibers developed on the .357 Maximum case which is trimmed back to 1.470" and tappered with a .223 sizing die (for .321 or .258).


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Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 4228 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Re: 357 maximum as CBS/Schuetzen cartridge? Reply #11 - Apr 8^th, 2009 at 9:59pm	Print Post
	The .25 RKS shoots a 122 grain bullet in a 1:9 twist barrel with up to 12.2 grains H108 or AA#9 and the .32 RKS shoots a 235 grain bullet in a 1:11.5 twist with up to 13.5 grains H108 or AA#9.


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leadball Ex Member	Re: 357 maximum as CBS/Schuetzen cartridge? Reply #12 - Apr 8^th, 2009 at 9:59pm	Print Post
	The first of these cases was the 32 Dell a 5.6X50R trimed to 357 Mag length and necked to 32 caliber also there are the 32 Miller Long and Short. Today, many serious BR shooters use these cases instead of the 32/40 Ballard. I have a couple barrels using the small case but can't shoot any better than with the 32/40. I'm not convinced they actually shoot better, maybe the better shooters use the small case. leadball


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38_Cal Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2255 Location: Montezuma, Iowa Joined: Apr 27^th, 2005	Re: 357 maximum as CBS/Schuetzen cartridge? Reply #13 - Apr 8^th, 2009 at 10:30pm	Print Post
	The small case cartridges are more efficient, but not recommended for use in weaker actions, like Stevens 44 or even Ballards. They were developed with the Miller action in mind, and will work well in stronger actions like the Ruger or a small firing pin tip diameter Hi Wall. Schuetzen loads that I run in my Ruger 30-20 would not be safe in a Stevens 44! David Montezuma, IA

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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: 357 maximum as CBS/Schuetzen cartridge? Reply #14 - Apr 9^th, 2009 at 9:01am	Print Post
	There have been a number of 32 cal cases made from .357 parent brass. The 32X.357 Dell, 32 Miller and the 32 Miller short. In addition there is Willis Gregory’s 32 X 40R and my own 32-30 IMP. And there are probably a few more kicking around that I haven’t mentioned. As for true .35 caliber chamberings there is the .357 max and the old standby 35-40. The bottom line is that with so many trained machinists and opinions of what makes the ideal cartridge it’s a lot like playing the lotto all you need is a dollar and a dream. 40 Rod


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