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Reply #15 - Mar 30th, 2009 at 9:07pm
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I do not have a $20,000 or $40,000 gun. If I did I would not be afraid to shoot it using the appropriate care. I do have a neat old '57 Ford T-Bird that is worth $30,000 to $40,000 that I have no problem shifting at 6,000 RPM and pushing it through the curves when the mood hits me. A gun you do not shoot is about as usless to me as a beautiful wife that you can't make love to. With proper care and handling, you will not hurt either one. The gun is yours. What you do with it is your business.
  
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Reply #16 - Mar 31st, 2009 at 12:24am
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"The gun is yours. What you do with it is your business"

True enough, you paid for it, you own it, have it your way, do what you want with it. 

But don't forget, we are not talking about cars made by Ford or people that would be nice to make love to, we are talking about something that one of the great masters of all times made and there will be no more. 

Like I've said, there are shooters and there are collectors, look at it as a rare collectors item, after all that's what it is, no serious shooter that knows anything about shooting pays that kind of money because he thinks it's a gun that will shoot better than anything that can be built today. 

A better comparison instead of factory cars or people may be Coins, some old Coins are rare and worth thousands of dollars, they would never be carried lose in your pocket or used in a vending machine, other Coins are nothing more than just money to be used to buy stuff with. 

  Again, if you bought and paid for it it's yours to do what you want, but IMO it's not a good idea to take the chance of something like that being damaged because of it's high historical value and the high dollar value.

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I've been a collector of high end guns for many years, bought them and sold them, and have seen more than my share of them messed up, am now a shooter so I've been on both sides of the fence on issues like this
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Reply #17 - Mar 31st, 2009 at 1:59am
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slumlord44 wrote on Mar 30th, 2009 at 9:07pm:
I do not have a $20,000 or $40,000 gun. If I did I would not be afraid to shoot it using the appropriate care. I do have a neat old '57 Ford T-Bird that is worth $30,000 to $40,000 that I have no problem shifting at 6,000 RPM and pushing it through the curves when the mood hits me. A gun you do not shoot is about as usless to me as a beautiful wife that you can't make love to. With proper care and handling, you will not hurt either one. The gun is yours. What you do with it is your business.


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Reply #18 - Mar 31st, 2009 at 9:19am
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What amazes me more than shooting them is what prices the collectors are willing to pay and why they pay it for a particular firearm.  Why do the prices hold up over time??  To me, Fulton's Creedmoor rolling block should have sold for a premium compared to the Henry's that go for up to $50K or more.  Pristine must be what they are looking for; also anything connected to the Civil War or some provenance to the west.  Joe, I know what you mean about Cabela's.  I have a store just south of me and stopped in about two weeks ago and they had a Ballard Pacific in there for $19,999 and when I looked at it, it was a complete redo.  Unbelievable Shocked  Leadball has probably nailed it with people wanting Winchester levers and Colts.
  
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Reply #19 - Mar 31st, 2009 at 7:38pm
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slumlord44 wrote on Mar 30th, 2009 at 9:07pm:
I do have a neat old '57 Ford T-Bird that is worth $30,000 to $40,000 that I have no problem shifting at 6,000 RPM and pushing it through the curves when the mood hits me.


Obviously not the stock engine any more! Must be a late model engine? Smiley
  

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Reply #20 - Mar 31st, 2009 at 9:10pm
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marlinguy wrote on Mar 31st, 2009 at 7:38pm:
slumlord44 wrote on Mar 30th, 2009 at 9:07pm:
I do have a neat old '57 Ford T-Bird that is worth $30,000 to $40,000 that I have no problem shifting at 6,000 RPM and pushing it through the curves when the mood hits me.


Obviously not the stock engine any more! Must be a late model engine? Smiley



LOL ! Yes, 6000 is the limit with the FE engine.  Great engines though if you have deep pockets for fuel.    Wink


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Reply #21 - Mar 31st, 2009 at 10:03pm
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The T-Bird engine is a '57 312, .30 over Ford pistons, Crane cam and springs, ballanced, port matched heads, factory dual quads. When I first built this engine in 1968, (rebuilt in 1980) took it to 7,000 rpm ONCE. That was something I would not try today but is sounded great at the time. Normaly shifted it at 6,000 to 6,500 when I was drag racing it in the late '60s. I have had the car since 1965 and it and my guns and other toys hopefully go after I am gone.
  
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Reply #22 - Mar 31st, 2009 at 10:30pm
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FE motor? Boy I sure goofed on that. Of course a 57 T Bird would have a 312, I knew that.  Roll Eyes   AKA  the Y block.  I owned several when I was young and never wrecked one by spinning it too fast. 


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Reply #23 - Apr 4th, 2009 at 11:26pm
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Collecting of any kind has the high and low dollar for the same item.
My collector car got turned over to a broker and is advertised for a 
half mill. and I would have sold it for a 100g.

The Rifle I shoot at the local Buffalo match is a set trigger 32''oct -
38-55 .one of the Big collectors was at the match and gave me a
bad time for "A HISTORY GUN" and I said what do you mean And
he said "with that serial # there was only 41 guns made " that is not
history in my book---It is a gun Winchester only made a few of---I
can't take it with me but I sure can enjoy it as I watch the ENVY by on
lookers. The haves and the have not, 

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Reply #24 - Apr 4th, 2009 at 11:29pm
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Reply #25 - Apr 4th, 2009 at 11:33pm
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Totally agree.

I have a wooden set of golf clubs - made in Scottland.  Mashie - niblic - midiron etc etc.

I play with them.  Some folks get upset and remark they should be mounted on the wall.

I just tell them to get off my case, it ruins my game!

Besides, if I hit the ball more times than they did - I have more fun!

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Reply #26 - Apr 4th, 2009 at 11:49pm
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The man got me going as to what I really had, Went to the gun and 
looked for the most expensive Winchesters at that show and asked 
the man about my gun .I gave him all but the last number, He looked
in his paper work looked at me looked at his paper and said 5g sight-unseen.I told him the gun is not for sale..... He wanted a phone # and
a name  which I wouldn't give- My next step is Cody. 

I will shoot the barrel out before I would sell to a "Big Collector"

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Reply #27 - Apr 5th, 2009 at 1:08am
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boy we are having fun now !  Blondes and 57 t-birds....???
i dont know about the rest of you but every gun i own is worth at least $20000 when i am shooting it. the ones waiting to be shot are worth more cause they are clean. we cant take them with us to the promised land but when i go i want to leave all mine with worn out barrels and no primers left. let the "collectors" and "investers" worry about that.    humph! where Smiley Smiley did i put that breech seater...
  

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Reply #28 - Apr 5th, 2009 at 2:44pm
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slumlord44 wrote on Mar 31st, 2009 at 10:03pm:
The T-Bird engine is a '57 312, .30 over Ford pistons, Crane cam and springs, ballanced, port matched heads, factory dual quads. When I first built this engine in 1968, (rebuilt in 1980) took it to 7,000 rpm ONCE. That was something I would not try today but is sounded great at the time. Normaly shifted it at 6,000 to 6,500 when I was drag racing it in the late '60s. I have had the car since 1965 and it and my guns and other toys hopefully go after I am gone.


Wow! Im very impressed by any 312 that can crank out 6000 rpm, and even more impressed at 7000 rpm's!!!!
  

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Reply #29 - Apr 6th, 2009 at 4:55pm
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I'm one of the gun guys that thinks that we're just temporary holders of old guns. I've known collectors who've had big sets of valuable guns, and some of them have died-leaving the guns to the widow or the kids. Unfortunately, you're all going to die. (Not me, of course.
When I realized that I wouldn't ever be an offhand shooter, I sold all my Lyman, Fecker, Litschert, Davis lower power scopes, and just kept a 20 and 30 X STS for bench shooting. I thought and think that just owning scopes and guns keeps them from the coming-up shooters or potential shooters.
I have a Maynard Model 16 in 32-35 with iron sightsl. I looked for this gun for years, finally a friend sold it to me. I shot it offhand for years, but don't shoot offhand now and feel a bit guilty for keeping it. I think it should go to a shooter.
Just my way.
I remember racks of SS rifles, cases of target scopes, and now they ain't at the gun shops any more.
Somehow money got involved in shooting, and I reject the notion that money has anything to do with my hobby. I ain't in this for the $$$.
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