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Mar 13th, 2009 at 9:31pm
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Ladies and gentleman, 
It looks like the Goverment of the USA will be doing everything in there power to do there very best at dis arming the people of the USA. We cannot stand around and let this happen, If we do, our For Fathers fought and died for nothing! These emails that keep floating around in cyber space are going no were!! We need power, like Chuck Norris who spoke out on Fox News the other day! WE need the President of SASS to speak for use! We know the NRA is fighting for our rights, but we need people, a lot of people.
And in his statement he hit the nail on the head! "Thomas Jefferson
No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms"

As you will read what James Madison states the came therory that Chuck Norris mentioned, the honest armed  American, has that right to protect him self, his property, and his family, BUT the most important thing is: Not allowing our goverment to do as they please, when the please!!

James Madison
In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions. 


James Madison
When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny, 
I ask you this: Do they fear us? i don't think so! They do what they want, when they want! Our forefathers, didn't fight so hard for us to be free, to let it slide back to the way it was when Britan controled us and our land!!
Whereas civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as military forces, which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms.

John Adams
Here every private person is authorized to arm himself, and on the strength of this authority
The Second Amendment, as passed by the House and Senate and later ratified by the States, reads:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed!
The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, relating to the right to bear arms, was enacted as part of the Bill of Rights, its ratification occuring on December 15, 1791 with the support of the Virginia Legislature.
 
We can, as American's stop this, so them, that they work for US, we paid them they Salary!
Here is one mans fight, just think what every gun owner can do.

SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
Syllabus
DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA ET AL. v. HELLER
CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT
No. 07–290. Argued March 18, 2008—Decided June 26, 2008
District of Columbia law bans handgun possession by making it a crime to carry an unregistered firearm and prohibiting the registration of handguns; provides separately that no person may carry an unlicensed
handgun, but authorizes the police chief to issue 1-year licenses;
and requires residents to keep lawfully owned firearms unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock or similar device.
1. Operative Clause.
a.
“Right of the People.” The first salient feature of the operative clause is that it codifies a “right of the people.”
The unamended Constitution and the Bill of Rightsuse the phrase “right of the people” two other times, in theFirst Amendment’s Assembly-and-Petition Clause and inthe Fourth Amendment’s Search-and-Seizure Clause. The Ninth Amendment uses very similar terminology (“The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shallnot be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people”). All three of these instances unambiguously refer to individual rights, not “collective” rights, or rightsthat may be exercised only through participation in some corporate body.

I am asking every gun owner, that does not have a crimal record, or any alledge criminal ativity to print this off and send it to your Senator, send it register mail, make them take a look at what us Americans demand!
You will need to delete out this last paragraph, and sign it with you real name and address!
If you do not care enought to do this, then when they take your guns, don't go crying to anyone about it!! We as a Nation Under God, can do anything we want!

Sincerly
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Reply #1 - Mar 14th, 2009 at 12:07am
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We also need to address our individual state lawmakers. I spent Wedensday with about 2500 other gun owners at a march to the capitol building in Springfield Illinois in a demonstration persuing our gun rights. In response to this a proposed bill to allow concealed carry in the state of Illinois was sent to an obscure Health and Safety Committie and politely droped. We will continue the fight. People need to also join and support their state rifle associations. As a dues paying member, I am also waiting for the ASSRA to get off their backsides and push for our 2nd ammendment rights. Our single shots are not safe either!
  
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Reply #2 - Mar 14th, 2009 at 5:03pm
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"As a dues paying member, I am also waiting for the ASSRA to get off their backsides and push for our 2nd ammendment rights"

slumlord44,
Sorry to say I don't think that's going to happen, there are certain National Shooting  Associations such as ASSRA, ISSRA, USRA, ARA, RBA, etc., etc., I could go on and on,  but it would do no good. 

Ask any of the many different SS associations what kind of help they have given or what they have done as an association, financially or otherwise, to help prevent bad gun laws, you may be surprised at the answers you receive.

Yes these are "Shooting Associations" but it seems that as long as they think the laws will not affect them there interest is only in shooting, not bad gun laws. These associations usually do not even contribute financially to NRA / ILA or to there own State Associations,  they just stay in there own little world thinking that nothing will happen to them and there sport, after all who would try banning SS rifles. 

I cant count how many times I've heard guys say, don't worry about that stuff, what there after are handguns and assault rifles, and that may be so for a while, till some of them see a 50 cal BMG SS rifle, then you will hear, my God, someone could knock out a bridge with that thing at a 1000 yds., we better do something about those SS rifles with them long sniper scopes on them. 

At that time it may be to late to do anything as the only ones that may be left to fight against bad gun laws will be old guys with SS rifles, and knowing  that most of the SS rifle associations that we have today don't do anything now they wont know what to do or how to do anything in the future.

All I can say is keep on casting them "lead" bullets and make sure you have a stock pile of primers and powder.

I'm only kidding guys, we all know things like that cant happened and that all those associations contribute thousands of dollars to NRA / ILA and there State Associations, we have nothing to worry about. Keep on shooting.
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Reply #3 - Mar 14th, 2009 at 8:28pm
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Shotgun shoters for the most part are inactive because they believe that no restrictions will be placed on them.  HA!!  The single most dangerous firearm is a shotgun loaded with buckshot.  It gets no press because criminals go for handguns and semiauto rifles.  IF they get expensive or regulated, criminals will switch to shotguns.  Then we'll have none.
I think we need to lean on our local politicians as well as federal.  We could easily get rid of all the incumbents in three elections.  After one or two elections they'd all smarten up.
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Reply #4 - Mar 14th, 2009 at 11:02pm
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When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist. 

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out
  
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Reply #5 - Mar 15th, 2009 at 2:21am
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Has anyone discussing this thread actually read the Heller case? 

Before we all get too carried away, last July the U.S. Supreme Court STRUCK DOWN the 30-year old District of Columbia's efforts to "ban" handgun ownership and to otherwise restrict firearm ownership.  After a lengthy discussion about the history of the 2nd Amendment, the Court specifically recognized that the 2nd Amendment applies to, and guarantees a citizen's right to own or "bear" firearms without reference to a citizen militia.  And, yes, this Court (a majority of whom were appointed by Republican presidents) did further recognize  certain restrictions on firearms ownership that have been in place for generations, including restraints against the ownership of firearms by convicted felons, the carrying of firearms within certain sensitive areas (like schools), and the ownership of certain kinds of extraordinarily destructive firearms (bazookas, RPG's).  I'm not sure where in all of this do I now see some kind of concerted government conspiracy to seize our firearms or otherwise interfere with our lawful possession and use. 

While I'm all for getting various groups of firearms owners more organized and active in political and social issues, I think the bigger problems we all face include an ever shrinking proportion of shooters and hunters in the general population, an ignorance in the general population of what we do and why we enjoy it, a Hollywood fascination with guns only to be used by criminals, terrorists, and rogue secret service agents to blow away people in hundred-round bursts, creeping urbanization that shuts down several shooting ranges every year, anti-hunting activists who have no concept of hunters as leading conservationist for the last century or more, and the list goes on......   

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Reply #6 - Mar 15th, 2009 at 7:28am
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I only used the Heller case as a example! They cannot take our guns! But they can make us register them and pay a tax on each and ever one, and since they right the rules, they could tax us to death on them!

Here is the point that I was trying to get accrossed, just like Chuck Norris stated on Fox News!

James Madison 
When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny,   
I ask you this: Do they fear us? i don't think so! They do what they want, when they want! Our forefathers, didn't fight so hard for us to be free, to let it slide back to the way it was when Britan controled us and our land!! 
Whereas civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as military forces, which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms. 

They what total control, and if we set on our thumbs they will get what they want, they allways have, and allways will, Untill the Magority of Americans voice what they cannot do!!

I apoligies if I have offended anyone in my statements. If we let them tax and make us register our guns, then we have given up another right, the right to privacy!

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Reply #7 - Mar 15th, 2009 at 8:59am
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Has anyone discussing this thread actually read the Heller case? 

Before we all get too carried away, last July the U.S. Supreme Court STRUCK DOWN the 30-year old District of Columbia's efforts to "ban" handgun ownership and to otherwise restrict firearm ownership.
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Lowaller


True.  Now they're learning how 'not to ban' but how to 'regulate' and license and tax.

Our voices are needed so that rationallity will prevail.

  

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Reply #8 - Mar 15th, 2009 at 10:31am
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The gun banners will not let a Supreme Court decision stop them. D.C. spit in the courts eye after that decision. they will not only resort to taxes and regulation but will try to ban lead and restrict other components. The big worry,though, is the United Nations who wants to ban small arms world wide. Mr. Bush kept them at bay for eight years. Do you think Obama will do the same? He said he would not take our guns but he would have no qualms letting the U.N. do it. Join the secondamendmenmarch.com  and fight  for our rights. Single shot rifles are small arms too. 

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Reply #9 - Mar 15th, 2009 at 11:03am
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Just for the record I believe the NRA is our best fighting front. The only people that our slimy politicians fear is the NRA. I think we should add our wives, our children and grandchildren to the NRA membership. I firmly believe that the threat of getting voted out of being American Royalty by our slimy politicians is the only thing that will keep them at bay. 
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Reply #10 - Mar 15th, 2009 at 5:08pm
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Guys,
Cat Whisperer is right. Here in Australia we had the infamous "Gun buy back program" (read forced hand in), a blanket ban on pumps & semi autos (including .22s) and full registration since 1996. From then on various fed & state governments have put in place lay after layer of regulations and taxes in an attempt to make firearm ownership so much more difficult. A lot of people have just walked away from the sport. Even more worrying have been the attempts to restrict the proper training of juniors in safe gun handling & ownership.
Good luck
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Reply #11 - Mar 15th, 2009 at 7:35pm
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I read Heller when it came out. The decision was good for us but a mere beginning. The lawyers will be fighting over the reprecussions long after we are all dead and burried. When I was at the Gun Owners March in Springfield Illinois last Wedensday there were 5,000 peaceful but angry gun owners marching to the State Capitol. It barely made the nightly news. A gang member shoots a fellow gang member in E. St. Louis with an AK 47 and it gets more press. Gentleman, we have problems.
The point made about people not being active in the shooting sports is valid and important. Saddly, our current president has not idea what the gun lobby and gun hobby is all about. He has never been exposed to the positive aspects and does not have a clue. He has a lot of liberal company and this is also a large part of our problem. People fear what they do not understand.
  
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Reply #12 - Mar 16th, 2009 at 9:51am
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A little over a year ago, I wrote on this forum about a series of strikingly similar bills making their way trough state legislatures. The first was serialized ammunition and the second was micro-stamping firing pins.  I also wrote about the lead ban that was enacted in California. 
I tried to make a point about what I called the cockroach approach to antigun legislation that is now going being used at the state and local levels. 
  The anti gunner’s new strategy is multiple state and local bills that eat away at our rights. What they are counting on is that if they can bring enough bills before enough State and local governing bodies that the NRA can’t keep up with them all. The antis have also found that the true gun-ban zealots are found at the state and local level. These single purpose legislators have little fear of the NRA because: a) they actually believe all the crap that they spew and: b) they know that the NRA concentrates its efforts at the national level. That is where we come in, be aware of what every local politico’s stand on gun issues is. Make it an effort to put their views under a strong light. Just because he is only running for dogcatcher this year doesn’t mean that he doesn’t want to state senator next year, lice grow from nits. Once they get started it’s harder to stop them. When you read or hear about legislation in your state or local area call your state legislators and find out where they stand on the issue. Your calls are important some of the true believers will just blow you off, but most politicians are addicted to the power that their dubious status brings them and when public opinion mounts they fold. Remember to be rational on the phone if you start raving at the aid in the office you will be written off as a dangerous nut that should lose his gun rights. Don’t undercut your own efforts, be reasonable explain your position; offer your support if their position is on the fence, don’t threaten. 
  Lastly I will pass on something that astounded me when I used it the first time. When I called my state representatives I identified my self as The editor of the American Single Shot Rifle Journal I told them that I was writing a story on the ammunition bill and gave them the bills number (yes you have to do your homework) and told them that I wanted to know my representative’s position on the bill. I was put on hold and then transferred to my state senators legislative aid. I again identified myself and explained that I was writing a story for the magazine on the proposed ban and its implications on the national level for my readers around the country and as state senator Krupt was my representative I had chosen him as the focus of my article. The aid took his time with me and explained the senator’s position and that the bill was up before her committee and that could she call me back to hear about our position on the matter? She did call me back and the bill died in committee I don’t know if I had anything to do with that but what I do know is that the perception of National press coverage gave me access to the process that I would have not otherwise had. So I will make this offer, If you feel that it will help you with access tell your local legislator that you are writing a story about the bill that you are calling about so as to focus national attention to this bills fate. Than write it and I will place it in the Journal.

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Reply #13 - Mar 16th, 2009 at 8:05pm
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How many of us think that a 5-4 decision in the supreme court is a strong and everlasting decision.  Three of the five are considering retirement. thousands of anti gunners are lobbying Mr. Obama as to his choice of their replacements. Remembering that precedence is only the strongest deciding factor, if you are a conservative jurist, I for one do not feel a sense of security in the Heller ruling.  Eternal vigilance, the price of freedom.                                                                                The weakest will be the most logical target of forthcoming challanges before the court, because these will produce the surest victory. If only long range muzzle loading slug guns are threatened, due to their extreme accuracy, or their extreme pollution, (lead& smoke) how many of us will show up?   I hope all.   Hope ?     dave
  
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Reply #14 - Mar 16th, 2009 at 10:09pm
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I got a message from someone tonight on my machine stating the present administration is trying to ban the sale of once fired brass? Is this some sort of real thing, or paranoia trying blow something out of proportion?
  

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