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Reply #15 - Feb 19th, 2009 at 4:03pm
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Its hard to decide which spotting scope we want,  we can decide on a rifle much eaiser.   leadball
  
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Reply #16 - Feb 19th, 2009 at 4:36pm
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Interesting reading on a spotting scope:

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I had done alot of research on spotting scopes, mostly on ojective size.

I had a Nikon Sky and Earth with a 60mm objective and was wondering if one with a 80mm made much of a distance,  YES it does.

I bought a Nikon Sky and Earth 80mm to replace my 60mm.

I thought the 60 was a good scope, well it is/was, but the 80mm is WAY better.

This site has good info and has good prices on many scopes.

Check it out

  
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Reply #17 - Feb 21st, 2009 at 5:50pm
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I have a cheap $100.00 spotting scope and two other guys I shoot with have nicer and more costlier spotting scopes in the $350.00 to $400.00 range. We shoot one time a month at a range in Fayetteville NC. The sun doesn't touch the target while we are shooting. None of us can ever see our holes at 300 yds. Not when they are in the white nor while they are in the black. Is there a scope that will allow one to see 45 cal. holes at 300 yds.?
  
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Reply #18 - Feb 21st, 2009 at 6:09pm
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I suggest to one and all that for best results re: shooting, a fixed power eyepiece is better than the variables. In this thread someone mentioned a Unertl 63 x 24. A fine and durable scope.

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Re: Which spotting scope?
Reply #19 - Feb 22nd, 2009 at 5:53am
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Dick Agree fixed will always resolve better than variables.

That Unertl 63x24 on Ebay reached about 625 dollars and closed with no sale as not making reserve.  Considering Kowas with eyepieces cost right much more than that it would have been a pretty good buy looked like new.

Of course it is no longer made and has no warranty etc. still to my mind is the perfect balance of size and ability.  Not to mention snob appeal.

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Re: Which spotting scope?
Reply #20 - Feb 22nd, 2009 at 6:40am
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agree with boats on the fixed eyepeice. i also found that when the light gets tough to see the holes in the pm, add some pink colored saran wrap to the eye peice and it helps a little.
like most of us I have done my fair share of long range shooting and the best solution to not being able to see my 22 cal holes at 500 m is to sit some one down range, ( in a very safe place) and have him, or her call the shots back to me on a radio!
one of the members of the local club  set up a video camera , and had it sending pics to a pc at the firing point!
there are ways to  see holes at long range. when i was at bisley the had a target system on the air rifle range that I was shown, and asked a lot of questions of a warrant officer. and i beleive the system came out of sweden.
back to the scopes, buy the biggest,baddest and fanciest rig you can afford(divorce included) be it kowa, nikon or one of the ones I cannot pronounce the name of. as you Will own it for a long time.
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Re: Which spotting scope?
Reply #21 - Feb 22nd, 2009 at 6:02pm
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I always wondered if there was not some way to put contrasting material behind the target. either right behind or perhaps some sort of reflector lighting up the back side and showing through.  That's a common method with photography outdoors. Along the lies of what Irish suggested you can get colored films intended for camera use to put in front of lens.  Some have nice holders but often times are  just taped on.

We talk a lot about scopes but I have walked down the line when light was adverse and looked through everybody else's scopes with the same result, when it shuts down it shuts the best down too.

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Re: Which spotting scope?
Reply #22 - Feb 23rd, 2009 at 7:09am
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boats wrote on Feb 22nd, 2009 at 6:02pm:
I always wondered if there was not some way to put contrasting material behind the target. either right behind or perhaps some sort of reflector lighting up the back side and showing through.  
Boats

In the process of researching ths spotting scope article I found two ways to make holes more visible. 
First, removing the target frame backing over the black, and even the white, makes the holes more visible. Homasote or cardboard and even plywood seems to "heal" some after the bullet goes through. The best solution is no backer at all, hard with big targets.
Second, a white backer ~6" to a foot behind the target makes holes in the black stand out and easy to see. Or, if you can arrange it, snow works great behind the target.
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Re: Which spotting scope?
Reply #23 - Feb 23rd, 2009 at 11:51am
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You can have too much light behind the target backers.  Our range faces south (beggars cannot be too choosy).  At some times of year & day, the sun shines through the shot away parts of the backing and makes it difficult to differentiate between bullet holes and spots created by sunlight coming through the backing.

OTOH, at an early morning shoot and when spotting for someone else, you can sometimes see the bullets on their way to the target.
  
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Re: Which spotting scope?
Reply #24 - Feb 26th, 2009 at 5:29pm
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When shooting at 300 metres or more it can be very difficult to know where your shots sre going if you don't connect with the target for any reason. 
Even if there are scorers in the butts its still difficult for them to tell where a shot is going. OK you can tell if its going into the bank infront and below the target or over the target but if you set up your spotting scope behind the shooter you should be able to see the flight of the bullet like a pencil line on the way to the target.
Probably telling some of you guys how to suck eggs but some shooters might not know this.
Nothing to do with seeing your shots on the target I know but thought it might be interesting.
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Re: Which spotting scope?
Reply #25 - Mar 3rd, 2009 at 5:02pm
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As a matter of interest I took my Swarovski 25-40x75 along to the 300 metre range on Sunday to see if I could see the 7.5 Swiss military round in the white, black, fawn and green targets that the Swiss use in their homeland at this range. 
The targets were well patched and I could not make out any bullet holes. 
Mind you when in the butts, scoring and patching you sometimes had to look twice to see the hit in the black.
With this scope I can see 22 bullet holes at two hundred metres. Bit of a job in the black and it all depends on the light.

  
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Re: Which spotting scope?
Reply #26 - Mar 3rd, 2009 at 5:25pm
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I have frequently heard from other shooters a 20X  or 25X eyepiece is best for picking up bullet holes and that the larger power eye pieces are more impacted by mirage. Is this ground rule correct or do larger magnifying eye pieces work better with better scopes? And with variable light conditions?
  
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Re: Which spotting scope?
Reply #27 - Mar 3rd, 2009 at 6:26pm
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With  no back up or data to support my opinion. 

I suspect there is a proper balance of objective lens size to power.  50mm's do best at 20 power Get too much power with limited objective lens size and you loose resolution.  My little fixed power Leopold compact 25 X spotter does not resolve as well as my shooting buddys 20x50 mm compact Leopold. Scopes are identical except power.

Kowas 77 or 82 mm are fine with a fixed 27 power eyepice  Have looked through them with higher power eyepieces and they are not as clear,  The big 100 MM Unertl team scopes we used on my Reserve rifle team had high power eyepieces but we used a 25 most of the time. I don't there there has ever been a scope with better resolution that that  one.

Coatings and better quality glass as well as rock solid mounts will move the balance figure some but as a rule too much power is not a good thing for resolution. Cheapest way to get resolution is a sturdy tripod.

Nero the best way to spot when rough sighting is put a Skeet orange clay pidgeon on the dirt berm, spot the dirt flying off strikes.  Much faster way to get close to correct sights than any other.  Make bold corrections too. Figure the miss in MOA and take the whole correction next shot. Often times one or two shots will zero very near correct. 

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Re: Which spotting scope?
Reply #28 - Mar 5th, 2009 at 11:29am
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I agree with zampilot,

On the Konus 80 with the angled eyepiece, for $220.

Very clear and adjusts nicely to see mirage. Used it at the Quigley rifle match in Montana last year and was fine.

I think the scope-buyer needs to put some $ in an upper-grade stand, for the stabillity factor in winds. A good scope is nothing without a good stand. I have even attached lead-wts. to the stand to hold it still  Tongue Tongue.

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Re: Which spotting scope?
Reply #29 - Mar 6th, 2009 at 7:19am
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Mizura wrote on Mar 5th, 2009 at 11:29am:

I think the scope-buyer needs to put some $ in an upper-grade stand, for the stabillity factor in winds. A good scope is nothing without a good stand. I have even attached lead-wts. to the stand to hold it still  Tongue Tongue.
Jim

I have a pretty good tripod and a Freeland scope stand. There's constant wind here in FL. The scope in the tripod vibrates in the wind, even when everything is tightened up. The scope in the Freeland stand doesn't vibrate so much if the rod is rested against the bench side. 
Shorter stands bolted or clamped to the bench are better yet.
But, I have yet to find a stand that holds the scope still in the wind. I'd like to hear of and buy one. All my shooting from the bench.
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