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22 shorts again
Feb 9th, 2009 at 3:59pm
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Still dabbling with 22 Shorts.  There appears to be only one type of Short offered by RWS.  That is the R-25.  One table lists velocity for "RWS 22 Short" as 1,000 fps.  Another advertisement lists velocity of the R-25 as 540 fps.  I know they are supposed to be for rapid-fire pistol shooting, but 540 fps?  Is that correct?   


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Re: 22 shorts again
Reply #1 - Feb 9th, 2009 at 4:54pm
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Must be a typo most std velocity shorts are about 880 fps, but you never know what some ammo maker will come out with for special markets,

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Reply #2 - Feb 9th, 2009 at 5:07pm
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Except maybe for BB or CB caps where you measure the time from muzzle to target with a calendar.

  

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Reply #3 - Feb 20th, 2009 at 9:54am
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RWS site has the R25 at the bottom of this page:

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190 meters = 623.36 feet, rounded up
  
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Re: 22 shorts again
Reply #4 - Feb 20th, 2009 at 10:15am
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Cat,

I like Cb and BB Caps. But never seem to have enough time to shoot them. Based on your anology, now I know why!

More seriously, it seems that less and less manufacturers even offer shorts when I look in catalogs. Am I correct in this? Can someone give me a brief run down on who does?

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Reply #5 - Feb 20th, 2009 at 10:20am
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Here's the most complete listing that I know of:

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Reply #6 - Feb 20th, 2009 at 5:34pm
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WOW,

That is more than I thought. Thanks for the list!!

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Reply #7 - Feb 20th, 2009 at 5:38pm
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Merwin, I hope you can get some you like.  I notice that several of the things at .22ammo are not in stock, and have not been, for a long time.

If you find some that work well, or don't, will you post a report?

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Reply #8 - Feb 20th, 2009 at 5:43pm
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Yes, thanks indeed! Makes me want to build a rifle for them. Smiley
  

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Reply #9 - Feb 20th, 2009 at 11:50pm
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Vintageliving --------thanks for the link to a good, informative site and welcome to the forum!
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Reply #10 - Feb 21st, 2009 at 8:05am
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Hey Cat. You should go over to the WSU site and read about the guy that kills wild hogs with .22 CB shorts. Truly amazing.

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Reply #11 - Feb 21st, 2009 at 12:18pm
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Vintageliving-Thanks for the info--very helpful in format and availability,
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Re: 22 shorts again
Reply #12 - Feb 21st, 2009 at 2:39pm
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Glad I've stocked up on .22 shorts long ago! Man those prices made me weak in the knees! Great link anyway!
  

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Reply #13 - Feb 25th, 2009 at 7:53pm
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I have been testing 22 Shorts in a couple of Winders.  I am using one (with fancy sights) in the WSU 2009 Winter League.  Those are offhand at 50 feet, either gallery or outdoors.   So far I have used CCI Target and Fiocchi Super Target.  

I gave some thought to using Aquila Target Shorts, but the product reviews posted somewhere gave that stuff thumbs down and said "don't waste your money".  So I passed on the Aquila target shorts.

I have proven to myself that the CCI Target Shorts from my Winder will stay in the 25-ring at 50 feet (from the bench) and that I have no one to blame but myself for less than perfect scores.  The jury is still out on the results at 25 yards.  At 50 yards, no wind and the gods all smiling, a 1" group might be possible, but 2" will be a lot more common.   

The Fiocchi Super Target has not been subject to as much testing.  I only had one carton.  But at 50 yards, it shot a couple of groups that were smaller than any of the CCI groups, and one group that was larger.  

All the above is with the cartridges just taken out of the box, with no sorting.

There are at least 3 caveats with the Fiocchi stuff.  First, I have noted that some times the bullet leaves the barrel and goes to parts unknown.  Not through the target paper, even at 50 feet.  Second. one of the cartridges detonated.  The bullet remained in the case, but the case blew open with a big flash and BANG.  All the debris went straight up, because the part of the case that failed just happened to be oriented in that position.  And third, the residue feels very granular.  Do they use ground glass for priming?  And do you want that stuff in a high-priced rifle barrel?

I tried to get some bargain-basement priced RWS-25s and Russian Vostoks, but was too late.  Both batches were sold out.  I ordered some RWS-25s and some Eley Rapid-Fire Pistol Match but suffered buyer's remorse and canceled the order.  $400 for 3 bricks of Shorts seemed a bit much.

But I now have 2 more bricks of the Fiocchi stuff.  I am going to weigh each round and sort the stuff by weight.  I will do the same with CCI Target Shorts.  Then I will shoot some more groups.  And I'll try to lay hands on a chronograph, to see if the velocity varies by weight.

  
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Re: 22 shorts again
Reply #14 - Feb 26th, 2009 at 5:52am
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Gone are the days when Shorts were 13c, Longs 16c and LR were 19c a box of 50.

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