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SSRJournal Article: Trail Boss and Blackhorn 209
Jan 18th, 2009 at 6:33pm
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Was told today in casual conversation that this month's SSRJournal has an article about the analysis of Trail Boss and Blackhorn 209.  Anyone care to post some of the article's detail ... how analyzed - composition of each of the powders?
Would be appreciative
  
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Re: SSRJournal Article: Trail Boss and Blackhorn 2
Reply #1 - Jan 18th, 2009 at 7:06pm
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Why not wait for your magazine? Should be along any day now.
  

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Re: SSRJournal Article: Trail Boss and Blackhorn 2
Reply #2 - Jan 18th, 2009 at 11:08pm
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Jeff, that depends on how slowly his postman reads.  I'm still waiting on my N-SSA mag that everyone else seems to have had for a week or more.  I just got my SSR-J about Thursday.  Huh

I keep threatening to get my postman his own subscriptions or a speed reading course, one or the other.  Roll Eyes

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Re: SSRJournal Article: Trail Boss and Blackhorn 2
Reply #3 - Jan 19th, 2009 at 8:28am
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The article was written about Blackhorn 209 only. The cliff notes are that the Blackhorn 209 shot very well. The groups from a trapdoor were impressive. I was about to publish it 2 Journals before this latest Journal. When I got a call from the author, asking me to delay the article. He had just gone down to his safe to get the trapdoor and found the barrel choked with rust. He said that he was having the powder residue chemically tested and wished to write a postscript. Turns out the residue left in the barrel can be highly corrosive. Read the entire article carefully. 
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Reply #4 - Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:08pm
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I've received mine. It's a good issue of the Journal.
  

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Reply #5 - Jan 21st, 2009 at 5:46pm
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Mine came today and read it with deep interest.  There has been much discussion on several boards - is it a true sub or is it 'flavored' with nitrocellulose - which it is.

And the spectrograph reading that Blackhorn 209 and Trail Boss 'are very similar' was a shocker.  Trail Boss is billed as true smokeless powder which doesn't produce sulfuric acid that pits and rusts bores.
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Folks, if you use either powder, make sure you clean your bore immediately after shooting
  
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Reply #6 - Jan 21st, 2009 at 8:12pm
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I have only have had time to gloss over the article. I cannot belieive the aurthor put the gun away and did not look at it for an extended period of time after using a new and unproved product. I think I would have checked it daily at least.
  
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Reply #7 - Jan 21st, 2009 at 8:42pm
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I can believe it.  Right after Triple 7 came out I developed loads with it for the 577/450 and used it when I went to South Africa to hunt.  After taking two animals I cleaned the gun and packed it away for the trip home.  When I got home I cleaned all the guns again and put them away.  This was followed by a 2000 mile move and not shooting for 6 months.  Later when I pulled that Martini out and found that hard concrete crud ring  that grew in the throat even though the bore was still oily!!! What a shock.

It cleaned out with intensive application of steel wool wrapped around a bore brush.  There was no rust, but the bore is no longer shiney in the area where the crud ring was.
  

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Reply #8 - Jan 22nd, 2009 at 7:29am
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Sounds to me like the harder folks work to avoid the "evils" of black powder the more evils they encounter. My solution? Either switch completely to smokeless powder or stay with real black powder. After shooting BP in either cartridge or muzzleloading firearm, a thorough cleaning with water or water-based cleaner followed by oiling has yielded rust-free barrels. JMO
  
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Reply #9 - Jan 22nd, 2009 at 8:11am
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Solution looking for a problem. Black Powder works fine, If sombody wants smokeless and non corrosive, there is 4759.

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Reply #10 - Jan 22nd, 2009 at 9:01pm
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I have personaly built up a good supply of black powder but it is not redialy available in many locations. I think this is one of the reasons many use the substitutes. They are available most anywhere and have no shiping restrictions. I have used Pyrodex and triple seven in my frontloader for years and have had no problems with corosion yet. I do tend to run a patch through them from time to time just to make sure no problems pop up.
  
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Reply #11 - Jan 22nd, 2009 at 10:52pm
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If you look in the right place it isn't that difficult to find black powder.   

The deal that Powder inc does with shipping in 5 lb lots as well as including hazemat and shipping in the cost  make it pretty simple to get black powder.

Personally I find it less work to clean up black powder than the synthetics.
  

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Re: SSRJournal Article: Trail Boss and Blackhorn 2
Reply #12 - Jan 23rd, 2009 at 3:18am
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And of course there's that sulphuric acid urban myth on BP...  BP residues are actually alkaline.  But in a way they're right of course - the sub's don't produce it.  But then neither does real BP!  They just imply that real black might do so...
  
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Reply #13 - Jan 23rd, 2009 at 7:35pm
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DoubleD wrote on Jan 22nd, 2009 at 10:52pm:
If you look in the right place it isn't that difficult to find black powder.  

The deal that Powder inc does with shipping in 5 lb lots as well as including hazemat and shipping in the cost  make it pretty simple to get black powder.

Personally I find it less work to clean up black powder than the synthetics.


I agree with your last point.

But since there are places where there is NO blackpowder availble within a radius of 100 miles AND since the HAZMAT fee is going UP to something like over $20 (if I heard correctly) then there is certainly room for finding alternatives that work.
  

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Re: SSRJournal Article: Trail Boss and Blackhorn 2
Reply #14 - Jan 23rd, 2009 at 10:09pm
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Hey CW, we have plenty of BP available here in Lynchburg.  Let me know how much you want to have at the range for you in June.

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