Really, he did the thing and ASSRA did not  give him proper recognition. Maybe it was just an oversight on ASSRA's part.

Who knows, someone may realize his efforts and skill and give him credit where credit is due. It's always a shame when a shooter works so hard, shoots the best score ever shot by any member, and does not get proper recognition. do you know how long ASSRA has been keeping records ?. 
 ST

Gentlemen,

The ability to set new records in an organization is a main incentive for a club to become affiliated with that organization. I would think that a record score shot in accordance with an organization's rules, witnessed by the club's Schuetzenmeister should be allowed as a new record, no matter where it was shot. This not only promotes club affiliation (and participation in the national organization) but also shooting in general. 

To take it a step further, the Wyoming Schuetzen Union will recognize any score shot on the German Ring target as long as the actual shooting was consistent with the WSU rules, properly witnessed and documented to the satisfaction of the WSU Schuetzenmeister. We consider this a friendly gesture to other associations and an effort to recognize the outstanding shooting done by riflemen, regardless of their club or association membership.

Gute Ziele,

Steve

40 Rod,
Thanks for answering the question on scoring and the way ASSRA does it.

As to anyone thinking that one range is easer to score on than some other range, that  may be true, but that's the way the shooting game is. It's like saying if it wasn't raining on the day of the match I could have shot a record. target. 

It's virtually impossible for all shooters to shoot under the same conditions in different parts of the country. Sometimes even on the same day, and at the same range, conditions can change, it could be raining in the morning and real nice in the afternoon. Shooters that complain about things like that are usually looking for a reason or an  excuse for there poor shooting. 

  Does anyone really think that the old time top shooters or even the current top shooters would not go to an event because the range was not friendly to good scores, come on, give me a brake, this is what shooting is all about, it takes skill to shoot on all ranges, yes some days will be better than other days and some ranges will be better than other ranges, that's what usually separates the better shooters from the ones looking for excuses.

  In other Shooting Associations anyone shooting an Association approved and / or registered event witnessed by a Match Director, or in this case I guess the Schuetzenmeister, has a chance to set or brake any existing National Record no matter where they are shooting or where the record was set. No one has to go to where the record was set to brake the record. 

40 Rod,
Sorry to say that I'm at a lost with your statement below.

"I am now floating the idea of ASSRA records and National match records. Along this vane I like Subsailor’s idea of adding language that would make it possible for a National match record to also be an ASSRA record if the match rules are the same for both matches"

I don't see where the difference is, especially the part about a National Match Record also being a ASSRA record.  ( I don't like comparing ASSRA with other Associations but I have nothing else to go by other than my experience with other Associations that have been keeping shooting records for well over 100 years with out a problem )

So here goes.

In other Shooting Associations the Association Records are the National Records of the Association, any other records set are usually called Range Records or Club Records and only used for the Range or Club that the event was held.

  I can see where this is very confusing for a lot of shooters because of the wording used. 

Like Boats I think 40 Rod is on the right track, but after trying to un-scramble the difference between ASSRA Records, National Records, Range Records and / or Club Records I'm not sure and now my head hurts. 
ST

Your comments make sense to me...simple and to the point.

As for being banned for your comments...take the chip off of your shoulder and come on back.....

Since the Alberta Schuetzen Guild is the only club in Canada, then all of the records shot there are also National records (for Canada). The US is not the only Nation participating in this sport. Or is it American National records which would include all of North America and South America?

Dave

WOW,
Now my head really hurts. I can see that some have never shot in National or International Matches, other than ASSRA. Guys, just because Beeson's Range is the ASSRA range that does not mean that the Matches shot there are for National Records, yes, I'm sure National Records can be set there, and probably have been.  For those interested, go look around at the different Shooting sports, or for that matter most any sports discipline, like 1878 tried to do with the sport of track. Try to keep an open mind. What 1878 has said is the way it's done in the real world. 

Yes, if your living in your own small little world you can call anything you want a World Record, even if it's in your own back yard. I guess It may be a ego booster for some guys, but when looking at the real world of sports it's very different.

I think 40 Rod is trying to do the right thing so that  ASSRA records will be easy for shooters to understand and others will become interested and involved because the records mean something, something more that just shooting in your back yard or having to shoot at any certain range to set a record, yes have records for Beeson's Range and call them what they are, Beeson Range Records, not National Records or World Records. 

It's no different than other sports disciplines, the NRA National Matches are held at Camp Perry every year, but any record set there can be broken anywhere NRA matches are fired, what cant be broken anywhere is the Camp Perry Record, you have to go there to break any record set there. 

Why is it so hard for some to understand something like this ?.

Forget about shooting, look at 1878's example, it's about as common sense as anyone can get, a track guy runs a 100 yard dash in CA in 10 seconds under some rules of track, it becomes a new National record, not just a CA State Record, now some other guy runs the same 100 yard dash under the same track rules in NY in 9 seconds, it becomes a new National record and a new NY State Record, the guy in CA loses his National Record but retains his CA State Record.  Did anyone not understand that.

  It's a shame that something so simple becomes so complicated and upsetting that a member like 1878, a member for 14 years, is willing to quit because of something like this. Is it any wonder why some are saying that members are leaving ASSRA and not many new shooters are joining, plus others have been banned or have left on there own because of asking about ASSRA records. 

So far as I can tell 40 Rod is trying to do something about the inconsistent way things have been set up. 

Who knows, he may get banned for doing something like this, I take that back, I guess he cant get banned, but at the very least he may not be very well liked by some because of him trying to straighten things out so that the records are compatible with the rest of the World or Nation. 

I give him a lot of credit for taking on such a thing because it's for the good of all members and the ASSRA in general,  but he has run into a problem before when he tried to make change so it seems that some may not like it, and for whatever reason do not want change, even though it would be for the good of ASSRA. 

I was thinking of joining ASSRA this year but not sure if I would fit in, and after this post some may wish I don't join. 
  ST

40 Rod,
I guess I don't have the ability to put into words that some understand the way other sports disciplines have been keeping records, or some just don't get it because they don't want to get it. 

I've tried to give you my ideas as to how things have been done in other Shooting disciplines that have been in continuous operation for over 100 years, 

Please take it from there, modified it to your likening, it would be good to keep it as simple as possible, and be very careful of the wording. I can see that some, for whatever reason, would like to keep it complicate.

I'm going to try an back off of this subject as it's seems to be going no where. I see that there are some that know exactly the way it should be but without it coming from someone like 40 Rod and / or some other officials I can see that it will go nowhere, and that's a shame because it could be hurtful to the ASSRA shooting members. As you know some long time members have quit over this issue and some others have been banned over it, can only hope that no others will jump ship because of it.

40 Rod,
I wish you luck with what your trying to do for the shooting members of ASSRA. 
   ST