was reading you were at the brea shooting club.. thats just down the road from here.. where abouts are you..

thanks and ..ttfn..grampa..

hey duce,

let me be the first to give you a hearty wecome and a big HOWDY.. that done, hope you'll be around for a looog time.

up at the top of the general section, ibelieve, there is a section called schuetzen loads, should be alot to pick thru.

to me, 21 gr of 3031 doesn't sound good. try the 2227 or the AA loads instead.

btw, nice gun..

..ttfn..grampa..

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Thank you xxgrampa ,I will do some diggn' and ask a few questions . Randy

ok bob,

my memory is coming back, i remember...  on your way to diego, give me a hollar and we'll crack a keg of nails..

think the duece said it was a 7.7 mm..  with a 3.15 bulle, it's close..

..ttfn..grampa..

ah-ha bob,

  now i know. thank you ..

tt.g

Mine is right in that same load range, but the barrel is about .320" on the groove diameter, so I've been able to use bullets for the 32-40.  Take a chamber cast and slug your bore!   

David
Montezuma, IA

The Original AYDT as far as I can find out ,Is That it was made by the 
inventer of that style of action.In about 1875-'76 when the action came to be. I have been told that AYDT and Christian Sharpes were very good
friends. Thats about all the History I am good for!!!!On this rifle.
I will post the pictures
Thanks Randy

SHOT 3

Shot 5 

It's a generation 1 AYDT with the exposed extracor, I have a 2nd generation. Up around 15gr of 4227 is getting warm on these actions, I'd suggest you start around 13 grains and work up.

Hey tim_s,

   I have always wondered how one would know that they are getting to the upper limit on pressures for these actions.  I have not been able to get a good brass to chamber seal even with 15.5gr 4227 and I figured if the brass is not expanding that the pressures must be relativly low.

Shawn

Tim S; 
  You said a generation 1 is there more info about these early rifles ??
Randy

Ace,

   Alte scheibenwaffen  Old german target arm Volumes 1-3  by Jesse Thompson, C. Ron Dillon, Allen Hallock, Bill Loos and compiled by Tom Rowe.  Has a lot of great information and wonderful pictures.

Shawn

SKS.
  I have been told to the primer , if it starts to mushroom the pressure is getting to high.Also impressions from the the bolt will also indicate high pressure

Randy

I'll second (or third? or fourth?) the recommendations of the Dell and Schwarz book, and the Alte Schiebenwaffen books.  That three volume set is quite expensive, but some of the most in depth and gorgeous photography of any such book I'm aware of.
Terrific pictures and loads of info.

I get soot blow by of the brass too...   
I think it has more to do with pressure vs time rather than total pressure.
That is, if the peak pressure is reached early, before the bullet has moved much, it will expand the neck and seal before the neck gets all cruddy.  If peak pressure is reached later, then the gas has already icked up your brass.
That's just an untested, unresearched, theory of mine... 
I just keep a piece of scotch-brite pad in my ammo box, and clean them after I shoot 'em. 

Paul F.

(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links);    has this three volume set of German Schuetzen rifles.    leadball

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I have the books, they are truly magnificent. You have, however, just read more here than is there relative to loading them today.

Jfeldman; 
  That is nice to know ,in my area the people that have seen the rifle say
WOW- but don't have the right proof marks in there books to give that answer.
Thank you 
Randy