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Reply #15 - Nov 20th, 2008 at 12:24pm
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Reply #17 - Nov 20th, 2008 at 12:31pm
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And at the muzzle is a rotating 4 position sight 32"
  

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Reply #18 - Nov 20th, 2008 at 12:40pm
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It's a generation 1 AYDT with the exposed extracor, I have a 2nd generation. Up around 15gr of 4227 is getting warm on these actions, I'd suggest you start around 13 grains and work up.
  

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Reply #19 - Nov 20th, 2008 at 12:43pm
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Great looking rifle Ol_Deuce,
I am quite impressed with the workmanship on those 4 position sights.  I wish I had the patience to do such small work.  I can't shoot well with my 4 position sight but I would not even dream of changing it out for an aperature front sight.

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Reply #20 - Nov 20th, 2008 at 12:52pm
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Hey tim_s,

   I have always wondered how one would know that they are getting to the upper limit on pressures for these actions.  I have not been able to get a good brass to chamber seal even with 15.5gr 4227 and I figured if the brass is not expanding that the pressures must be relativly low.

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Reply #21 - Nov 20th, 2008 at 12:55pm
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Old Duece, That rifle is AWSOME, Here in the middle of No Where, you won't see anything like that! That is a Honey, I think I need to get a Book on this style of shooting, so that i can understand more, can anyone suggest a book that I can have the Library try to get for me?
I would be great full!
Duece, thank you so much for sharing your rifle with us!
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Reply #22 - Nov 20th, 2008 at 1:10pm
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Tim S; 
  You said a generation 1 is there more info about these early rifles ??
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Reply #23 - Nov 20th, 2008 at 1:13pm
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Shawn, The load suggestions I passed on come by some folks I asked with lots of experience with these guns, These are not exceptionally strong actions and  a lot happens fast if overcharged. I too always get some blowback and I think , if not extreme, which mine is not, you just live with it. 
I suspect that it might be because these guns typically have long throats and build pressure a bit differently. Mine is only modest and that is using mostly assembled ammo using unsized 8.15x46 brass with finger seated stop ring bullets. I have a mold from Bill Loos and will play with some breech seated slugs and see, but good brass minamizes the blowback to just a bit on the neck. In lots of these guns you end up with a load that gets your sights where they give you mid adjustment.
  

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Reply #24 - Nov 20th, 2008 at 1:14pm
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Ace,

   Alte scheibenwaffen  Old german target arm Volumes 1-3  by Jesse Thompson, C. Ron Dillon, Allen Hallock, Bill Loos and compiled by Tom Rowe.  Has a lot of great information and wonderful pictures.

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Reply #25 - Nov 20th, 2008 at 1:18pm
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Ace,

     You might be able to find The Modern Schuetzen Rifle by Dell and Schwartz, or the Roberts and Waters book, The Single Shot Cartridge Rifle.  There is also a new one on Schuetzen that can be ordered off this board (as can the D & S book) if you look on the For Sale or Trade page of the forum.

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Reply #26 - Nov 20th, 2008 at 1:18pm
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SKS.
  I have been told to the primer , if it starts to mushroom the pressure is getting to high.Also impressions from the the bolt will also indicate high pressure

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Reply #27 - Nov 20th, 2008 at 1:26pm
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Ol_deuce,

    I belive we are far below the pessure of primer mushrooming and bolt smear,


Ace,

    Froggies suggestion of the Dell and Schwartz book is great I love my copy its one of those books if I start reading I will want to go shooting.

Tim,   

    I get quite frustrated at the soot blow by it makes it hard to keep the cases shiny and the USMC taught me if its brass it must shine.

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Reply #28 - Nov 20th, 2008 at 2:16pm
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I'll second (or third? or fourth?) the recommendations of the Dell and Schwarz book, and the Alte Schiebenwaffen books.  That three volume set is quite expensive, but some of the most in depth and gorgeous photography of any such book I'm aware of.
Terrific pictures and loads of info.

I get soot blow by of the brass too...   
I think it has more to do with pressure vs time rather than total pressure.
That is, if the peak pressure is reached early, before the bullet has moved much, it will expand the neck and seal before the neck gets all cruddy.  If peak pressure is reached later, then the gas has already icked up your brass.
That's just an untested, unresearched, theory of mine... 
I just keep a piece of scotch-brite pad in my ammo box, and clean them after I shoot 'em.  Smiley

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Reply #29 - Nov 20th, 2008 at 2:28pm
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Thanks Guy's
I will try and find one of those books!
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