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checker Newbie Offline Posts: 3 Joined: Feb 11^th, 2021	Re: Hal Hartley Reply #30 - Feb 14^th, 2021 at 1:13pm	Print Post
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Amoretti Full Member Offline Posts: 210 Location: thermopolis, Wy Joined: Nov 2^nd, 2009	Re: Hal Hartley Reply #31 - Feb 14^th, 2021 at 2:42pm	Print Post
	I really like maple stocks esp those that are darker, honey colored or darker. Any ideas how he achieved the color?


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CharleHunter Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 363 Joined: Feb 8^th, 2019	Re: Hal Hartley Reply #32 - Feb 14^th, 2021 at 5:49pm	Print Post
	Funnily enough I was looking through an old 1974 Gun Digest and there are a number of pictures of rifles by Hal. Great stuff.


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checker Newbie Offline Posts: 3 Joined: Feb 11^th, 2021	Re: Hal Hartley Reply #33 - Feb 16^th, 2021 at 4:46pm	Print Post
	Amoretti wrote on Feb 14^th, 2021 at 2:42pm: I really like maple stocks esp those that are darker, honey colored or darker. Any ideas how he achieved the color? I know Hal Hartley used a old "Blow torch" it produced a "cool" flame not too hot to burn the wood. Potassium permangate will darken the maple also. A propane torch with a spreader tip will work but take care not to burn the wood.


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John Rigby Full Member Offline Posts: 212 Location: Midwest Joined: Nov 8^th, 2005	Re: Hal Hartley Reply #34 - Feb 16^th, 2021 at 6:48pm	Print Post
	He was doing stock work on Ruger #1's in the 70's. Spoke to him on a number of occasions. He was also doing custom S&W pistol stocks as well. Very talented stock maker.

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bobw Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1531 Location: NW, Iowa Joined: Mar 19^th, 2013	Re: Hal Hartley Reply #35 - Feb 16^th, 2021 at 7:49pm	Print Post
	checker wrote on Feb 16^th, 2021 at 4:46pm: Amoretti wrote on Feb 14^th, 2021 at 2:42pm: I really like maple stocks esp those that are darker, honey colored or darker. Any ideas how he achieved the color? I know Hal Hartley used a old "Blow torch" it produced a "cool" flame not too hot to burn the wood. Potassium permangate will darken the maple also. A propane torch with a spreader tip will work but take care not to burn the wood. Here are three stocks of hard curly maple all stained with nitric acid. Bob

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Amoretti Full Member Offline Posts: 210 Location: thermopolis, Wy Joined: Nov 2^nd, 2009	Re: Hal Hartley Reply #36 - Feb 16^th, 2021 at 8:48pm	Print Post
	any thoughts on best place to buy maple blanks? Also does nitric acid work about the same as permagnate (sp).


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bobw Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1531 Location: NW, Iowa Joined: Mar 19^th, 2013	Re: Hal Hartley Reply #37 - Feb 16^th, 2021 at 10:10pm	Print Post
	Amoretti, The last two in the photos came from Dunlap Woodcraft out of Virginia. 703-631-5174. The first is from Tennessee but that gent is no longer with us. There are other places but this is where i’ve always got nice hard maple. I’ve never used permagnate but there was something they used back then that would turn green after several years, don’t know if it was this stuff though. I know this happened because I’ve seen several green guns! Nitric acid is applied then blushed with heat which turns it to the color., then it is neutralize with soda. Best to practice on a scrap from the gun, each piece of wood reacts different to it. Bob

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Online Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16270 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Hal Hartley Reply #38 - Feb 17^th, 2021 at 10:57am	Print Post
	bobw wrote on Feb 16^th, 2021 at 10:10pm: Amoretti, The last two in the photos came from Dunlap Woodcraft out of Virginia. 703-631-5174. The first is from Tennessee but that gent is no longer with us. There are other places but this is where i’ve always got nice hard maple. I’ve never used permagnate but there was something they used back then that would turn green after several years, don’t know if it was this stuff though. I know this happened because I’ve seen several green guns! Nitric acid is applied then blushed with heat which turns it to the color., then it is neutralize with soda. Best to practice on a scrap from the gun, each piece of wood reacts different to it. Bob Chromium trioxide is what can turn a stock green, and was used by many old time stock makers of ML rifles. But it only turns the stock green if left on too long, and not halted in time. I've used it to darken stocks to match them to the forearm's existing patina, and once it's dark enough simply rinse it with cold water, and wipe it dry. It doesn't turn green. Still have a bottle on the bench, but rarely use it, as it's nasty stuff, and should never be touched with bare skin when wet.

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bobw Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1531 Location: NW, Iowa Joined: Mar 19^th, 2013	Re: Hal Hartley Reply #39 - Feb 17^th, 2021 at 11:31am	Print Post
	Marlinguy, Thanks for the info. I’ve always used the nitric acid mix or wood dyes so never ran into any issues. I’m currently reading through Monty Kennedy’s carving and checkering book, which is not very exciting, and he also talks about burning curly maple to bring out the curl. But also says you need to be careful because sharp edges burn easily. This is also true when blushing the nitric acid although I would guess it takes lots more heat to burn the grain than the blushing. Bob
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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Hal Hartley Reply #40 - Feb 17^th, 2021 at 11:34am	Print Post
	Bobw the color of that stock is one that would look extremely nice on a single shot and a nice piece of wood. It is the most attractive finish I have personally seen in a long time. Your work is very impressive and you are a very talented gentleman and I truly admire your work.

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bobw Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1531 Location: NW, Iowa Joined: Mar 19^th, 2013	Re: Hal Hartley Reply #41 - Feb 19^th, 2021 at 12:20pm	Print Post
	Just ran into these photos while reading a book on checkering. Hal Hartley

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Online Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16270 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Hal Hartley Reply #42 - Feb 20^th, 2021 at 11:16am	Print Post
	I'm not sure why, but some stock wood that looks gorgeous to me on an old ML rifle, looks strange, and not so attractive when used on later cartridge rifles? It just seems so out of place to me, that I rarely enjoy or appreciate it as much as I do on the ML rifles.

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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1314 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Hal Hartley Reply #43 - Feb 21^st, 2021 at 11:36am	Print Post
	I agree, Vall, but for the life of me, I don't know why that is. Bill Lawrence


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JWDreamstone Participating Member Offline Posts: 37 Location: Long Branch, New Jersey Joined: Oct 11^th, 2017	Re: Hal Hartley Reply #44 - Feb 21^st, 2021 at 12:52pm	Print Post
	I do have a Griffin & Howe sporter with a Hal Hartley Maple stock In 35 Newton Not a single shot But On a 98 mauser


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