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Magnum_Wheel_Man
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Rller project 1/2 done considering a Low Wall...
Oct 30th, 2008 at 8:15am
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for the next project... there is one that just hasn't appealed to me the way that roller did, but I've seen it every couple weeks over the last year or so... I'm startin to feel reponsable for saving it ( it's currently chambered in 44 mag )... don't know if the original owner just shot cowboy loads or 44 special in it, but that action is not safe for full power 44 mag loads, &an unknowing new oner could seriously damage the gun... the wood is sporterized, & very plain & light ( not like the awesome wood on my roller ), the barrel is very short, 1/2 octogon. 1/2 round, & still in the white, & beginning to finger print rust, from a year in the toy store's handling... not knowing much about the low wall, the action seems to still be good ( not shot out from the 44 mag use )... If I buy it, I'll likely rebarrel it, as th barrel is IMO, too short already, to rechamber in 44-40... I'm thinking 25-20, or 256 Win Mag for a caliber... the schabel for arm is nicely shaped but the wood is very very plain... maybe a darker stain would help it, but it I could find some nicer wood for the low wall, I'd prefer to go that route... the tang is already drilled & holds a tang sight, so I'll either keep that, or replace it with a better quality tang sight...

your guys thoughts as to caliber ???

any suggestions as to where to get so better wood ???
  
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Re: Rller project 1/2 done considering a Low Wall.
Reply #1 - Oct 30th, 2008 at 9:56am
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We need more information. Such as what you plan to do with the rifle.  Plinking?,Single Shot Match shooting? 200 yards?, squirrel hunting?, BPCR, Silluette? Is the wood original? Is it in good shape?
  
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Re: Rller project 1/2 done considering a Low Wall.
Reply #2 - Oct 30th, 2008 at 1:50pm
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Since the barrel is already at .429 or so groove diam, it would be a very simple matter to sleeve it down to a nice little .311 or .257 to make any of the .32 pistol class or .25-20 chamberings.  Sounds like a good place to start!

Froggie
  
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Reply #3 - Oct 30th, 2008 at 8:26pm
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I'd go for the reline and a chamber to .32-20 myself. Unless you want to convert to rimfire and go to a .22LR. The reline Froggie mentioned, and rechamber, would be the easiest, cheapest way to go and make a great little shooter.
  
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Reply #4 - Oct 30th, 2008 at 10:06pm
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I'm not doubting you guys... but isn't relining the barrel "not as good" as replacing the barrel ??? 

... right now, in my eyes, it doesn't have a purpose, & must not be easily seen by others, as the rifle has been gathering dust in the shop for over a year... 

original wood ??? ummm  maybe... but likely not, as I doubt the schnabel fore arm is original, & the wood appears to match the butt stock...

hmmm... maybe a squirrel gun in 256 Win Mag or 25-20... if it's still around in the next week weeks, maybe I'll borrow it like I did the roller, & run it over to my builder buddys, for a check up & a couple pics, so I can find out more about it...
  
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Re: Rller project 1/2 done considering a Low Wall.
Reply #5 - Oct 30th, 2008 at 10:21pm
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MWM, as somebody already said, more info is needed before any real substantial suggestions can be made... like is the barrel original but short, is the wood original (sort of answered already) and most importantly, what would you like to do with the rifle?

Green Mountain Barrels that are profiled for the small lever guns are just right for low-walls as well as has been shown by many of them being installed by members of this board, past and present.  I have a .25-20 SS barrel that is one of the last Charlie Dell threaded and chambered and it will be used on a low-wall action that Ken Hurst engraved... this is one example of where you can go with it.

Original barrels turn up at gun shows frequently... in fact I have a couple around the house that could be rebored or relined and would work nicely, if that is the way you want to go.  BTW, relined barrels frequently shoot better than original barrels, so "let not your heart be troubled" on that score.

As you can see, there is more to know and more to consider.  Keep us informed.

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Reply #6 - Oct 31st, 2008 at 9:18am
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thanks for the comments... I would suspect that the barrel is also not original, but will be the 1st to admit that I litterally knew nothing about any of the single shot rifles ( exception being the "newer" Contenders, of which I have a fairy large collection of )... I've learned alot about the Rolling blocks from my roller project, even though the rifle was never intended to be built as original, rather, chasing that tangent that someone began with that rifle in the 60's...

... the low wall, looks like it may have been built as a cowboy action gun ??? but, I don't do cowboy action either, so thats just a guess... 

for me, I shoot mostly paper ( informally ), & would likely do so with the low wall as well... however... it's my understanding that often as old men, we lust after objects & doing things we did in our youth... if this should turn out to be the case with me... squirrel hunting would high on my list... at this point I don't know how far from "original" this rifle is, but if I set it up to shoot some paper & a few squirrels, it would suite me fine... 25 caliber seems a natural for the gun... maybe 25-20 if I'm going to attempt a close to original look & feel to the gun... if it's already hopelessly sporterized... the 256 Win Mag seems like a good cartridge, as my local builder / mentor in that area, already has the reamers etc., & I have tons of 357 mag brass...

if the barrel weren't so short, then I guess I'd consider relining, but, unless I decide that a short handy rifle is in order ( but my intial impression is that it's too short )... I guess I see putting a new barrel on it, & making use of the excellent local help I have...

thanks alot for all the help here... I could easily see myself moving towards, & owning several "old" singles, with as much enjoyment as I've gotten from my Contenders over the years
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Reply #7 - Oct 31st, 2008 at 8:30pm
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I would disagree that reling a barrel isn't as good as replacing it. That really depends on what liner is used, and how the work is done. I've got relined guns that will shoot better than I can hold. 
I've got one .40-70SS Hepburn that John Taylor put a TJ's liner in, that will print nice 1" groups at 100 yds. if I do my part.
  
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Re: Rller project 1/2 done considering a Low Wall.
Reply #8 - Oct 31st, 2008 at 10:17pm
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Val, that's my contention too.  The only reason I would not use the barrel on the low-wall in question would be if it were too short, or perhaps if it were just unsuitable for some other reason (profile, external condition, etc, etc.)  I certainly would not eliminate lining out of hand, to the contrary, that would be my first choice, with other options coming only after the original proved unusable.

Froggie

PS  MWM, I am pretty sure I do have an original #1 octagon barrel that was in one of the .32s.  It is rough inside but would do to rebore to .38-40 or could indeed be great if lined to a .311-.312 bore.  I'll be happy to pull it out and check the particulars if you say the word.  I don't have any plans for it myself at this time.  GF
  
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Reply #9 - Nov 1st, 2008 at 8:13pm
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thanks for the offer... I may take you up one that, as the barrel on it now seems too short...

so do these barrel liners work similarly to how the carbon fiber 22 barrels, or a Dan Wesson revolver work, with a barrel nut tensioning the smaller barrel liner between some sort of chamber insert, & a barrel nut on the end of the barrel ??? if thats the case, I can believe that you can often get better accuracy than with rebarreling...

no hurry on that other barrel though... I haven't bought the rifle yet ( who knows, it may sell before I get back in there ??? ) I'll be taking my 10"  30-30 Contender deer hunting this next week end, & most of the following week ( if needed ) so the paycheck after that, if the rifle is still there, I'll probably borrow it for an inspection, then either make a commitment, or pass on it ??? but that'll be in about 2 weeks... in the mean time I'm hoping the 'lil Contender does me proud...
  
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Re: Rller project 1/2 done considering a Low Wall.
Reply #10 - Nov 1st, 2008 at 10:50pm
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No, barrel liners are a permanent part of the barrel once installed. The old bore is drilled out and the liner is either silver soldered or "glued" in using epoxy or Loctite. The liner in my .40-70SS is Loctited in with a clearance so small that it's almost impossible to see it was relined. 
In my opinion the liners that are Loctited in using these small clearances are the most accurate. Additionally, the relined barrrel is usually better than the original bore of the old time barrels, as they were soft steel, and the new liner is of high quality modern steel and will last longer the the original bore did.
  
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