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thop Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 271 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2008	Shipping antique rifles Sep 24^th, 2008 at 3:55pm	Print Post
	I think we are all in agreement that antiques firearms, made before 1899, can be shipped without going through an FFL holder. Is it different if a firearm has a serial number, indicating manufacture before 1899, but has been rebarrelled to a modern cartridge? An example would be a four digit ser # Winchester highwall rebarrelled for 225 Winchester. Thanks Terry

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Paul_F. Ex Member	Re: Shipping antique rifles Reply #1 - Sep 24^th, 2008 at 4:08pm	Print Post
	My understanding is that under Federal law, the manufacture date of the receiver is what counts... If it's Pre-1898, no matter what you do that does not obliterate the serial number (which is a whole other can of worms...) it's still an antique. Paul F.


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thop Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 271 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2008	Re: Shipping antique rifles Reply #2 - Sep 24^th, 2008 at 4:56pm	Print Post
	Thanks Paul, That's the way I understand it too but I needed to hear someone else say it. It is unfortunate that some gun dealers are so gun shy (pun not intended) that they feel they have to error so far on the side of safety that they will require a signed FFL for a firearm that is clearly covered as an antique under this provision. I wonder how many sales are lost by well meaning dealers because they ignore this fact. Thanks again for the response Paul. Terry

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Paul_F. Ex Member	Re: Shipping antique rifles Reply #3 - Sep 24^th, 2008 at 5:16pm	Print Post
	You're welcome... I think where SOME dealers get confused is "replica" firearms made as a replica of muzzle-loaders GENERALLY get treated the same as "antiques".. not quite, but close. But replicas of CARTRIDGE arms are NOT treated the same... they're "modern" firearms. So some dealers get some of that mixed up with "antiques", and things go downhill from there. I know my favorite local dealer knows the laws pretty well, but just for some safety, they 4473 ANYTHING that comes to them, even antiques. THey don't do the state mandated paperwork for antiques, but they do the federal form 4473, just in case there's ever a question about a firearm that left their shop, they have a paper record of what it was, that it WAS an antique, and who it was sold or delivered to... they don't have to rely on memory by passing an antique "over the counter" with no paperwork. I can understand doing that... Paul F.


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singelshotman Ex Member	Re: Shipping antique rifles Reply #4 - Sep 24^th, 2008 at 7:56pm	Print Post
	I long ago came to the conclusion that most gun dealers were idiots.They should either learn the law or get out of the business.I have had` several antique rifles sent to a FFL simply because the dealers did not believe that CA laws on Antique firearms were the same as Federal.This cost me 40-50 dollars extra each time.One time my FFL looked at the rifle and said"Why did ths idiot ship this to me?".


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marlinguy Ex Member Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater!	Re: Shipping antique rifles Reply #5 - Sep 24^th, 2008 at 8:21pm	Print Post
	I've pruchased three Ballards in .22 rimfire that I had to have sent to my FFL dealer, because the idiot selling them thought that .22 rimfires were not included as antiques. Each time my dealer just handed them to me and said he didn't need to do any paperwork, or charge me, as they were simply antiques, and exempt.

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