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Magnum_Wheel_Man
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my Reminton Rolling Block... "before" Pics...
Sep 17th, 2008 at 10:07am
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So... I picked up my Remington Rolling Block for my "roller resto" project...

the Rifle is a late 1800's black powder action, marked for Egypt, but likely sent to France instead, as it's in way better condition than any other I've been able to find pics of, marked with the "E.P. Cresent moon"

the gun was likely converted to a bench rest gun, in the 60's, & is currently chambered in 225 winchester, & the barrel is just about shot out... it looks like some parts may have been replaced to help the black powder action hold up to the higher pressure 225 Winchester round, the hammer has an added spur that was welded on, & stipled at the top, & the breech block has a shield ( I haven't followed up since noticing ), but think I remember the breech block wearing a shield on the New York state contracted smokeless actions ??? the trigger has be obviously reworked, as it's light & crisp, with no over travel...before disassembly, the action seems to need nothing done to it...

I'll be rebarreling & rechambering the gun to 32-40, using a .323 Shilen 8 mm Match barrel, with an unmachined contour, so I can contour the barrel to fit the custom beaver tail fore end... I plan on using as much of the new barrel length as possible, probably adding 5"- 6"additional length over the existing barrel... the beaver tail fore end, & high roll over cheek stock, are incredible looking pieces of wood, & will get refinished while the gun is apart... the current barrel has some cheesy aluminum 3/8" bases & good quality rimfire rings... I'll be putting a better quality external adjust scope back on, likely a Unertl... I want this for a fun gun to shoot, & have my own range, & plan to shoot it regularly off the bench at 100, 200, & 300 yards, so I"m after optics that look "traditional". yet offer me the ability to adjust back & forth for all the ranges...

my goal is to restore the gun to suite the wood, as a bench "shooter" styled after the 40's - 50's guns, & refinish the metal in a more modern corrosion resistant finish ( my hands sweat abnormally ), refinish the minor dings out of the wood ( removing the sling studs, etc )

it begins coming apart today... here are the before pics...
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Reply #1 - Sep 17th, 2008 at 10:12am
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other side
  
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Reply #2 - Sep 17th, 2008 at 10:13am
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close up of the action... note the shield on the breech block & the added hammer spur, with stippled thumb area
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Reply #3 - Sep 17th, 2008 at 10:16am
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stock & action
  
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Reply #4 - Sep 17th, 2008 at 4:24pm
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WOW !!!

in 15 minutes, my buddy had the gun totally stripped down & completely apart including the barrel removed, even though it was "lock tighted" on... we're sure the breech block is from a smokeless action... also the trigger gaurd serial doesn't match the action's serial  Undecided

the 2 main pins are looser than he / we would like, so he's making new ones from ( X ) grade tool steel, the flat spring in the reciever was pretty pitted from previous rust, so we may decide to change that one out also, otherwise everything looked good on the inside... just waiting for the new barrel to arrive

any suggestions for stock refinishing ??? I want a good hard "mile deep" finish on the furniture when I refinish it...

my buddy also suggested drilling a large hole in the hammer body just below the reciever line, to lighten the hammer & quicken the lock time... the only draw back I could see would be lighter primer strikes, but if we replace the spring as previosly mentioned, win / win ???
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Re: my Reminton Rolling Block... "before" Pics...
Reply #5 - Sep 17th, 2008 at 5:00pm
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As you may have guessed by now, there's nothing original to your rifle.  The caliber wasn't developed until 1964, and the stock styling is of a 1940's to 60's varmint rifle.  It looks to me like you're a very long ways from putting finish onto the wood, as the photos seem to indicate a lot of scratches, dings and possibly poor fitting to the action.  All this needs to be corrected before you really even do more than think about finish.   

I would look at Chem-Pak's Pro Custom Oil hand applied stock finish.  I like the stuff, it's easy to work with, and it looks good.  It's a polyurethane and tung oil finish.  For a linseed based finish, Minwax makes an "Antique Wood Finish" or some name like that...my can is out in the shop, and my memory is getting as short as, well, never mind... Wink  It's also a good finish, but a bit more satin than the Chem-Pak.   

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Reply #6 - Sep 18th, 2008 at 7:19am
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Thanks for the suggestions... yes, I haven't even started stripping / sanding the old finish yet... & yes, even the wood will take a lot of work... & as you noted, it's not going to look original... it'll always be a shooter grade rifle... that said, I think I can improve the wood's fit quite a bit... there is also some metal finishing I want to accomplish... I.E. the added hammer spur while looks OK on the top, was not smoothed over the weld on the underside, also I think I want to shape it just a little bit ( removing a bit more weight can't hurt, as long as the spring is fresh ), the stock retaining bolt, when tightened down, protrudes through the lower tang almost an 1/8" if I don't replace that screw, I'll need to trim it flush with the tang for a smooth fit... little things like that should help the rifle both in performance & in the looks department

As I mentioned, my hands sweat abnormally, so I'm looking for a more corrosion resistant metal finish, than standard blueing, so I'm holding off on removing the current finish on the wood, untill I get the barrel fit, to see if I could stand either that french grey finish E.A. Brown offers, ( or elecroless nickle ), by looking at he barreln fitted, still in the white, or weather I want to keep the metal dark ( which I think I'd prefer )... If I chose to keep the metal finish dark, right now, my only options are flat black parkerizing, black chrome, or the deep blue Diamond Kote... I may send a test ( hand ) gun in for refinishing in a couple of these finishes... to see what they look like in person, & the quality of the work done in the shop ( as example, I have a couple cheap, ugly guns I've kept around for bubba gunsmithing, ( like a 6" barreled Rohm Gmba 9 shot 22 revolver with target sights, that shoots way to good to get rid of at its current market value )
  
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Reply #7 - Oct 25th, 2008 at 12:23am
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Thought I'd add a mid project pic... I added the wood & the scope just for the pics... still lots of work left to do...
  
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Reply #8 - Oct 30th, 2008 at 2:20am
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didn't get the mid-pic..

thanks and ..tt.g..
  
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Reply #9 - Oct 30th, 2008 at 7:27am
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hmmm... I thought it was there... I'll try again.... there, that seems to work.. right now the rifle has the new 8mm match barrel, chambered for 32-40, with the chamber neck reamed to 8 mm, new machined over sized  breech block & hammer pins, ( to tighten up the action ) the hammer has been lightened ( a large hole was drilled through the hammer below the reciever line... should speed lock time, without changing the look ), the firing pin retractor was added ( mine was missing when I bought the rifle ), a new slightly heavier trigger spring was added, the one in the gun was thinned so much, that we were afraid it would break... the trigger pull is slightly heavier now, but I feel there is additional relyability, a new main spring was added, to insure relyable firing ( the original had several deep pits in the spring ) the trigger gaurd has been filed a bit narrower, to remove the dents, dings, & thin spots on the edge, both pieces of wood have been stripped, the front correctly inletted for the slightly heavier barrel, & includes a much heavier 1/4" fine thread retaining bolt, along with  stainless steel hardware, the rear stock is set up with a pair of steel spacers, & a rough shaped adjustable steel butt plate, with the unertl on the rifle, it tips the scale at 17 lbs, but balances perfectly with the added steel at the butt of the gun... I'm sure more was done, but there is still lots to do yet...
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Reply #10 - Oct 30th, 2008 at 7:50am
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more mid project pics... that rough machined adjustable butt plate...
  
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Reply #11 - Oct 30th, 2008 at 7:53am
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the stainless hardware installed in the fore end, before it was sanded flush, & the wood stripped...
  
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Reply #12 - Oct 30th, 2008 at 8:01am
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still not sure between deep blue & French Grey for the metal finish... but really leaning towards deep blue, even though the barrel in the white right now seems to make the wood's charictor "pop"

I got my loading dies, & have starting picking through some eye deers on reciepes... I haven't got a cast bullet yet, but the 180 grain Nosler on the left, is my choice to use as a jacketed bullet... the one on the right, is a 170 grain Speer semi spitzer I'm going to use for barrel break in, since it's a bullet I already had in stock...
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