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My question is how many ASSRA paid members use this forum out of the total 1597 people who are registered here? 
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Can't tell for sure since having a membership number is not a requirement to use this board nor is required on registering. 

In total,  ASSRA membership is about 2000 people worldwide.

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Just joined a week or so ago, and log on almost daily  Wink
  
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I'm in as an annual member.

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Should have become a lifer when it was a LOT cheaper!  Smiley

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My question is how many ASSRA paid members use this forum out of the total 1597 people who are registered here? 
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It would be an interesting list to compile - and publish as is the list of folks signed onto the board.
   

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Joined in 1965, Got life membership when they became available. No. 71
  
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Not a member, Activities of the Association are not mine.  Have seen the Magazine its interesting but of limited utility to my interests. The greater value comes from the resource of whose got what,  found in the ads.

The board is recreation .   

It is full of specialized information but most infornation found here on my interest-Martini, can be found else where. That's most not all.  Very little new information on the mechanics.  Lots and lots of neat custom ideas or how to do the usual job a different way.

If membership were required to view the board, I would not be a member.   

There is only so many memberships that most people can afford. Membership has to be weighed by return.  Since retirement it has become even more difficult to justify membership even in the NRA.
  

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I let my membership lapse several years ago. Re-joined during the recent umpleasantries as a show of support for the generous volunteers who are running the outfit.
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Not a member, nor am I likely to be. Too little return for my dollar. 
Never going to go to Etna Green, and more interested in casual shooting and hunting, than in competition, for the most part.

I am a metalwork hobbyist that also gets to work metal for my day job, and I am interested in doing mostly my own work. The ASSRA forum happened to be where I found an active and knowledgeable base of corespondents who were willing to share what they know, so I registered an joined in.
I have found lots of good ideas through my readings here, and have tried to pass on what little I know that is of use.
If a membership becomes a requirement, I'm out. 

As long as there are some folk about that are willing to share what they know, rather than erasing every post they make after a day or two, I'll likely check in, but it's slowed down a whole lot of late.

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I have been a member for quite a while and plan to stay that way. I have been to EG 4 times in the past 15 or so years and always had a good time- even at 1800 miles round trip! It's more than "Just another match" for me- especially in the spring.
The membership cost is cheap when you look at ALL the resources that are available!

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Annual Member since the mid 1980's. Never set foot at Etna Green but would like to some day, maybe after retirement?
  

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I'm a proud member of Assra and will be till the day I die, if things get tough I may have to sell something that belongs to my wife to pay my dues, I'll do whatever it takes.     leadball
  
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Cat,

  You can find a list of all the members on the forum by selecting the "Members" button at the top of the page. Haven't looked in a long time but think it also includes those who unsubscribed. A list of ASSRA members would be hard to do unless the forum members would all use their own names so the list could be checked against against a list. Best bet is to hope all the ASSRA members on here will post to this thread. Doubt that will happen.

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Many ASSRA members, (including some of the better shooters and "gunsmiths") rarely, if ever, post here. Most ASSRA members who are also forum members will likely not feel it necessary to respond to this thread. I am curious as to what motivates the question?
  
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I tried to do a bit of an analysis on this a few years back for my own edification.  I concluded that 10% or less of the registered users here make more than 90% of the posts. Some of the most prolific posters were either non or ex members.  Most of those who I knew are both ASSRA members and also members of this forum did not actively engage in the give-and-take.

  Speaking with a bit of tongue in cheek, I suspect that most of them enjoy shooting at targets, not becoming one.  some who were active have backed off, myself included, probably simply to avoid getting caught up in the endless recycling of two or three specific sore points of contention
  

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thanks guys
just wondered what the ratio of real to part time members is.
I was looking more for a set of numbers rather than all these responses. I think the interaction and thoughts are great.
thanks. I should have asked what is the number of people who belong to the assra. just want to know how large the organization is. someone has access to that number.
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I think that may have been posted. but just in case, the last I talked with the guy in charge of membership it is was more or less 1900-- 2000.  It fluctuates up and down as old members drop out or die off and new ones join.   
As with most of the fishing, shooting, and other outdoor sports the numbers are dropping as the older generation of sportsmen leave the scene and kids are more oriented to indoor sedentary game.  I imagine that the tightening economy is having an effect as well.
  

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If I were to guess I would say ASSRA has about 2000 members.

Thing that I always wondered was total number of single shot shooters that could be ASSRA members.  I doubt if ISSA has 500 and WSA perhaps less.  Largest number would be BPCS shooters, active match shooters in single shot silouette must be a couple of thousand. Add less than that number shooting NRA rules black powder target rifle.  Then there is cross over with people holding memberships in more than one.

Anyway if these numbers are near correct it makes little sense to have 4 orgs to cover 4000-5000 shooters. If we had one umbrella club great economy of scale would result in producing the magazine holding matches etc.  And a stronger group would result.  Difference between the various factions is slight.  One case it's the color of the target only.

Not that it is ever going to happen. People would lose control of there private turf.

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Boats, I think your last sentence says it all.  I don't want to re-start the recent nastiness we had over exactly this issue, so I won't belabor the specifics that apply to ASSRA.  I stayed out of that fight because I'm one of the members who lives remotely, doesn't get to share in the range, and can't get there to vote, but still keep my membership to support the organization.

None of these organizations is going to grow until they give up their small piece of turf and decide to support the overall spectrum of single shot shooting, at the expense of favoring their own special interest.  As long as the real function of the organization, (as evidenced by their actions) is to support the activities of a few members in limited locations, there will not be widespread support from the overall single shot fraternity for the organization.  This is not necessarily a bad thing, especially for the chosen few that live in the right locations.  But, it limits the overall scope of the organization, as there are a limited number of members that are not located in the right place who will join and not share in the benefit.

There may be an overall strength to this type of arrangement, as it at least keeps up a strong shooting fraternity in a spot or two in the country.

The real strength of numbers as you say are in the BPCR shooters.  And, they have families and younger shooters with them also.  The reason for that is the inclusiveness and willingness to help that goes on.  I can't believe how many shooters I see each match using borrowed rifles and someone else's ammo.  And, seeing them come back a year later with their own.  It's also a participatory sport to some extent, with a spotter to assist, and in many of the gong matches, all the spotters on the squad helping out the beginning shooters.  I can walk to the line before any match, without sight settings or a spotter, and have two or three people helping immediately.  Sometimes at the expense of getting their own sight settings.  That's the kind of participation that makes makes people join and come back.

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Life member # 204. Have gotten a lot of useful information from forum. Never been to Etna Green but may when finally retire.
  
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Member. While I do not shoot in competition since a rimfire-centerfire benchrest schedule seems to take 3 out of 4 weeks a month, I figure it's a tradition worthy of support and i own-shoot several single shots recreationally.
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Agree on the BPCS shooters and matches.  I also think the structure provided by NRA affiliation has helped that match too.  I have run a couple at our club and you have to meet certain terms to be accredited. Key is a standard match flyer that is distributed to anyone who asks with match dates published in Shooting Sports monthly.  No flyer no certified match or the benifits that come with it like club being protected by insurance.  Insurance issue alone makes my home gun club only allow NRA matches.

I shoot Schuetzen on the East coast and can say for sure some of the matches are well kept secrets. Few are advertised and easily accessable to new shooters.  Great once you attend and have always felt welcome but finding them is not easy.

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boats wrote on Sep 9th, 2008 at 7:14am:
If I were to guess I would say ASSRA has about 2000 members.

Thing that I always wondered was total number of single shot shooters that could be ASSRA members.  I doubt if ISSA has 500 and WSA perhaps less.  Largest number would be BPCS shooters, active match shooters in single shot silouette must be a couple of thousand. Add less than that number shooting NRA rules black powder target rifle.  Then there is cross over with people holding memberships in more than one.

Anyway if these numbers are near correct it makes little sense to have 4 orgs to cover 4000-5000 shooters. If we had one umbrella club great economy of scale would result in producing the magazine holding matches etc.  And a stronger group would result.  Difference between the various factions is slight.  One case it's the color of the target only.

Not that it is ever going to happen. People would lose control of there private turf.

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Did you guy ever consider that a great number of singleshot enthusiasts NEVER shoot competitively, or no longer shoot competitively? 
I have a number of friends who are head over heels in love with singleshot rifles (myself included!) but shoot casually, or not at all! I always thought that some in the organization seemed to revolve around the shooting aspect, and really overlooked those who shoot casually or just collect.
If ASSRA, or any singleshot rifle oriented organization is to grow and prosper, they need to recognise that not eveyone can, or does compete in any form. Some of us just love these fine old singles!
It is the American Singleshot Rifle Assn., not the American Singleshot Shooting Assn. Just my 2 cents worth.-Vall
PS-Some of us even hunt with old offhand rifles!
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I have to agree with Marlinguy. I have never shot in competition and I am 63 years old. May try it sometime but it is not on my must do list. I target shoot informaly at my backyard range and actively collect Stevens Singleshots along with several other types of guns that I have interest in. Like to hunt some too. Hoping Illinois will add a black powder cartridge deer season. This is something I think the ASSRA could help with if they so chose.
I have a thought on the mutiple orginizations. I belong to a local Thunderbird club that is part of a larger Classic Thunderbird Club International. The local club has local activities. The International Club has larger activities that anyone in the local clubs can participate in. Of course this requires membership in both orginizations which is no real problem. When you look at the costs involved in this hobby, guns, ammo, acessories, etc, the cost of membership in an orginiation is a very small part of it. I have paid more for a box of ammo for an obscure caliber than the dues are.
  
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Agree there are more single shot fans than match shooters.
I sort of mixed the two,  Guessing again if ASSRA has 2000 members I doubt if 250 shoot matches regularly and 3/4 of those bench rest only.  On the East Coast 50 is a very large match turn out with a couple dozen the norm. Never attended Etna Green matches but people tell me shooters number less than 100. 

On the other hand if NRA has a 4000-5000 total turn out at BPCS matches that number covers match shooters only, not people otherwise intrested in singleshots. Total number of people intrested is probably 4 times match shooters.

We hunt with Single shots some around here but the state rules are a handicap. Muzzleloaders get special seasons and treatment while CF cartridge rifles of any sort are grouped and have much more restrictive regulations.  East from a Tree stand and West in the Montains short seasons. I will use a Trapdoor some but generaly go for the Minne Ball rifle deer season and a T/C contender .22 for Squirels. My Single shot match rifles are not suitable for anything outside the target range.

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We're in the same rut here Boats. Oregon doesn't recognise anything that shoots a bullet as different than a modern high power rifle, so when I hunt with an old singleshot it's alongside my family members with their .30-06, .25-06, etc. 
Oregon even restricts muzzleloader season to strictly traditional muzzleloaders and their replicas, with only traditional ignition systems, and sights!
After hunting for nearly 40 years, and taking a lot of game with modern rifles, I don't much care if I'm at a disadvantage. I still bring home some venison, and when I do the thrill is better than it ever was with my bolt action .30-06! Smiley
  
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Marlinguy, We are way off the topic but what the heck

I agree it's a lot more fun to do something thats a bit more rewarding, only problem I have with the Centerfire season in Virginia  is you are in the woods with a thousand amatures that are trigger happy. M/L season is much longer and a lot less people.  We allow the modern In Line M/L's although my personal choice is no later than the 
Civil War.

Actualy my first choice for Squirells is a 1950 vintage Marlin 39A with a Lyman 17 tang sight.  Owned it for nearly 50 years, Paid for the rifle instalments running Muskrat traps and Crab Pots.

Couple of us are planning a Ferial Pig Hunt down in South Georgia soon and it's perfect work for a Trapdoor. Or a big old Revolver.

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I'm kind of in the same boat here in Michigan. Tramping in the woods with a single shot rifle. old or new, always seems better to me. Our muzzleloading season is anything goes as long as black powder or a substitute is used to launch the slug.  I hope we follow Mississippi in allowing BPCR to be used for hunting.

I do also shoot competitively. More for the social aspect than a serious paper puncher. 

Squirrel season opens in 4 days!

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Yea Boats, way OT, but a lot more interesting! Maybe we should start another topic about hunting, and see if it takes off?
  
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Suits me could be intresting. Far flung as we are could get some good trades trip for trip with guys going. Have always wanted to Hunt out west. Mule deer or even Antelope.  Trouble would be comming up with something suitable East Coast,  Fish no problem big ones too, but big Game is Deer or Bear and Bears are hard to find.

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I deer hunt here in Southern Illinois with a CVA side by side .50 cal double barreled muzzleloader. Got an acquaintenance who knows a guy connected to the Illinois Department of Conservation. They have been trying to get blackpowder cartridge rifles legalized here. It would be great if the ASSRA would get involved in this effort. A letter or two to the right people could help!
  
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