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.300 Sherwood
Aug 27th, 2008 at 9:58am
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Does anyone have a good load for a .300 Sherwood? I have an NEI mould which casts out at 130grn with a 20:1 mix. Have been using 9grn of 4227 but it is very position sensitive in the long thin case.
Point the rifle at the ground and tap the stock before shooting: 1080ft/sec.
Point the rifle up in the air and tap the stock: 1340 ft / sec.
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Re: .300 Sherwood
Reply #1 - Aug 27th, 2008 at 10:14am
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Sorry, Fred, I have little self control...have you tried pointing it at the target to shoot it? Smiley

I would compress as much kapok as you can get in the case over the powder to hold it in postion over the flash hole.  Weigh that kapok  and use that weight every time.



  

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Reply #2 - Aug 27th, 2008 at 12:19pm
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Kapok or similar was suggested on the range this morning (it is now 5.15pm in the UK). I don't like fillers with smokeless powder but I might be driven to try it!
The "pointing up before firing" start gave flat primers (Small pistol) but the "Pointing down" start gave no signs of pressure and a run of 9 consecutive bulls fired off-hand at 50 metres. The 10th shot was a seven and down to me.
Thinking of trying 5744.
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Re: .300 Sherwood
Reply #3 - Aug 27th, 2008 at 8:14pm
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Fred,

Fillers are not wads.

Would you have an aversion to a powder that went to the bottom of of the bullet  or a bullet that went all the way to the powder.   In either case,  the powder or bullet is the filler.  Just sustitute the kapok for a bit of powder or a chunk of lead.

Wads hold the powder in place or protect the bottom of the bullet leaving the dreaded airpsace.  Different than a filler

  

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Reply #4 - Sep 1st, 2008 at 12:33am
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Fred,
I have a BSA NO.6 take-down in 300 Extra Long (Sherwood). I use a 147 gr. bullet with 11gr. H4227 at 1450 fps. This is quite close to the original specs.  With the bullet about .36in into the case this amount of powder fills the case to at least 80%.
In an earlier post you said you had to lower the lever to get the shell to chamber. Mine goes in with no problem. I have noticed the groove in the top of the breech block is cut a little deeper than other calibers in order to load a longer shell.
I have another .300 Exrta Long that has been rebarrelled to 6.5X50R 
(made from a 5.6X50R). With the bullet seated far out this is a long round. With the .300 Extra Long breech block this round will chamber.
Using a regular BSA Cadet breech block it will not chamber.
  
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Reply #5 - Sep 1st, 2008 at 8:56am
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Ziplocjoe: Thanks for the reply. My old books give 1400'/sec as the velocity. I am worried about trying your load as I was getting flat primers with 9grn.
My bullet would be 147grn if I hadn't ordered it without the gas check--Joel at NEI simply raised the cherry if you don't want the gas check and so you get a lighter bullet. Are you using a gas check? Any leading?
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Reply #6 - Sep 1st, 2008 at 2:48pm
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Fred,
I have a reprint of an old BSA catalog. There is no date but from the information stated in the catalog I would guess the date about 1912-13.
It has the .300 Extra Long using a 140 gr. nickel based bullet at 1450 fps. 
I purchased my bullets. According to the box they came from a Lyman mold #300316. They do have gas checks. My primers look ok and no problems with leading. Acuracy has been about 3 to 4 inches at 100 yards. I can do much better with my .310 Cadets.
  
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Reply #7 - Sep 1st, 2008 at 3:11pm
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My Sherwood is a no8, with the thick wall receiver. I have a no6 in 310 and a 310 cadet rifle.
My home range is 100yds and all three are very accurate at this distance. I have also shot the Cadet rifle at 200 and 300 yds (once) with good results. 
The Imperial Meeting at Bisley is just over and I shot 200yd off-hand with my Buchel Meister in 8.15 x 46R. Next year, I would like to do more of the  200yd comps and had in mind using the Sherwood: that is why I have been chronographing loads with the poor results quoted earlier. If I remember to position the powder, it will do OK, but what I really want is a load for a plain base lead bullet which will come out at about 1300'/sec with a standard deviation of less than 30'/sec. That is what the 8.15 x 46R give me with 14.5grn of H4227, (and I did win the comp).
All your comments are geatly appreciated ---more please!
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Re: .300 Sherwood
Reply #8 - Sep 1st, 2008 at 6:58pm
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Fred,
I have seen several discussions on the different models of BSA rifles. Since they were not marked by model number there is a lot of different opinions. My opinions are based on the catalog I have and the U.K. , N.R.A. Historic Web Site. The No. 8 is a thin wall receiver with a heavy 25 1/4 in. barrel. To quote the catalog, " These models( NO.8 & NO. 9 ) are 12ozs. heavier than the Models 4-7. The extra weight lies entirely in the barrel." Could your rifle be a NO. 12?
My favorite model is the NO.6. Thin wall receiver with light weight 24 1/4 in. barrel. I have them in .22, 32/20, and 300 Extra Long. I would like to find a .310 and a .297/230.
The load I gave is the only one I have ever tried in the .300 Extra Long. I should try to improve the accuracy by trying some other loads.
I have had some good results in the .310 using Hodgden Titegroup.  3.5 gr. hardly covers the primer but I could not find any evidence of position sensitivity.
  
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Reply #9 - Sep 1st, 2008 at 11:19pm
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Fred
I have two articles in my files on the 300 Sherwood. One is from Rifle magazine #199 and the other from a shooter with some load data. If you PM me your email address I can scan them and send them to you. Anyone else who wants them same offer stands.

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Reply #10 - Sep 2nd, 2008 at 6:40am
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Ziplocjoe:
I live about 20miles from the old BSA factory and I have friends who used to work there and in the proof house. My Sherwood is a puzzle to them:
Serial number is low, indicating manufacture about 1909/1910.
Barrel is the heavy target type, indicating that it is a no8, but it is about 2.5" longer than the standard no8.
Receiver is thick walled. 
The barrel has the usual BSA markings on it, but, just behind the Nocks Form on the reciever it is marked:"A.G. Parker". It has not been relined.
The stock is a beautiful dense walnut and the forend is a none standard shape.
I call it a number 8 because that is the nearest thing to it in the catalogue but, at the time it was made, you could order what you wanted if you had enough money.
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Reply #11 - Sep 2nd, 2008 at 6:46am
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Reply #12 - Sep 2nd, 2008 at 7:02am
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Plus No6, which is also non-standard, having no barrel mounted opensight and also having the optional pistol grip.
310 Cadet, which is standard apart from the no8 sight.
Greener .22 takedown.
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Reply #13 - Sep 2nd, 2008 at 11:33am
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Fred,

As far as the model numbers go there is no for sure in the BSA.  Knibbs book the Golden Century contradicts the catalogs and different year catalogs contradict each other.  Even the descriptions given confuse. Knibbs talks of a long action, but never a stepped action or a thick action. 

What you have are nice guns, nothing else matters!!!  Now should you devasted by this news you can box them up and ship them to me and I will strip them for scrap....you do believe me don't you? Smiley


  

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Reply #14 - Sep 2nd, 2008 at 12:10pm
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Double D: I agree with you: I have John Knibbs book plus several old catalogues and it is easy to get confused. However. I have just spent a pleasant half hour looking through said catalogues and I now agree that the Sherwood is closer to a model 12 than a model 8, since the main difference appears to be the thick sided receiver.
We have strayed away from my original request: what I want is more loading data!
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