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Uncle_Ethan
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C H Armory "Improved" Highwalls
Aug 16th, 2008 at 11:43am
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I own two C H Armory Highwalls.  One is a lightweight barreled 45/70 with the serial number EXP NO. 1 , the other is in 250/3000 and has a model number [1001 I believe] but doesn't have a serial number or safety installed.  Both are hammerless versions of the Highwall with no iron sights, just early [from the 60ties] Weaver scopes.  The only mention I have ever found was in a book "Single Shot Rifles" [or a title similar] indicating that the reloading equipment firm was beginning to build the rifles.  I contacted the C H reloading firm and the owner e-mailed me indicating that it was now the wrong century and wrong company to get information from, and gave me the prior owners name.  I believe that is the estate I purchased the rifles from.  Does anyone have any information about these rifles, the number manufactured and sold, or any information at all?  So far, except for the one book, I have come up empty.  Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
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Reply #1 - Aug 16th, 2008 at 6:55pm
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I have an original sales flyer for the rifle, from C&H when they still in Southern California.  I won't be able to scan it for you until the end of the week because I am literally "going fishing".  Drop me a PM with your e-mail address and I will do it then.
  
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Reply #2 - Aug 16th, 2008 at 10:57pm
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Thank you, 1878.  I would love to see that advertising.  I will take photos of the rifles and if I can figure out how I will post them.  For sure I will send you copies.  This is encouraging, I wonder how many rifles are out there.
  
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Re: C H Armory "Improved" Highwalls
Reply #3 - Aug 17th, 2008 at 11:02am
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It's very likely that your actions were made by Bo Clerke who currently has a company in Raton, New Mexico and specializes in 22 RF barrels. Bo makes most of the Ruger 10/22 barrels that are on the market. There's quite a few of those actions around and some of my friends still use them, some are marked CH some aren't, as I recall they have a rack & pinion gear between the lever and block. I've never owned one.

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Reply #4 - Aug 17th, 2008 at 6:34pm
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Schutzenbob wrote on Aug 17th, 2008 at 11:02am:
It's very likely that your actions were made by Bo Clerke who currently has a company in Raton, New Mexico and specializes in 22 RF barrels. Bo makes most of the Ruger 10/22 barrels that are on the market. There's quite a few of those actions around and some of my friends still use them, some are marked CH some aren't, as I recall they have a rack & pinion gear between the lever and block. I've never owned one.

Bob

Thank you for the help.  Do you happen to know the name of Bo Clerke's business?  I would love to pick his brain about the actions and the rifles.  I appreciate all the help from everyone.
  
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Reply #5 - Aug 20th, 2008 at 10:32pm
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Bob

Believe the rifle with the rack & pinion gearing between the lever and block was the Riedl - If I remember correctly it was written up in an old issue of GUN WORLD.  The one I had the opportunity to handle was in a 6mm wildcat.

The CH Armoury (Clerke) uses a link between the lever and the block if my memory serves.

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Reply #6 - Aug 21st, 2008 at 10:32am
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Well, after 10 or more years of owning the rifles, this forum has provided me with more information than I have found available anywhere.  Thanks to you all, and if anyone has anything to add I want to learn about it.
  
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Reply #7 - Sep 1st, 2008 at 12:40pm
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Uncle_Ethan

Frank DeHaas wrote of the Clerke actions (there were two versions written about) in Single Shot Rifles, Design and Construction, if memory is serving correctly. 
It has been out of print for a while, but you may be able to get a copy through your public library.

A kind gent sent me scans of the article, and if you send me a PM, I may be able to find them and make arrangements to get them to you. The electronic files are quite large, and may cause your email to give some grief. 

The Clerke Highwall was very similar in principle, to the Winchester, but did not look as well finished, due to the speed with which it was pushed through production. This was apparently the cause of Mr Clerke parting ways with the outfit that was marketing those rifles, from what I have gathered.

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Reply #8 - Sep 1st, 2008 at 3:50pm
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Trev, I send you a PM for sending me the information.  Thanks for the help.  I am sending Mr. Clerke pictures of the two rifles for identification- the rifles aren't as the advertising pictures "1878" sent me - mine are hammerless and the advertising pics show a hammer.
  
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Reply #9 - Sep 4th, 2008 at 7:28pm
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Well, I'm back to square one- almost.  I received an e-mail from Bo Clerke today after he looked at the photos, and he said they never came from C H, because all his had hammers.  If I can figure out [or Trev shows me how] to post the pics, maybe someone will have an idea where they came from, or who did the work.  The unfinished one I am thinking of rebarreling to 40-65 or such.  That is the one that has the more reddish tint to the action.  I will have to find out if the chemicals for French Grey will work OK with high nickel actions.  However, I now have literature and information to work with, and I will post the pictures soonest.  Thanks for the help.
  
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Reply #10 - Sep 4th, 2008 at 8:13pm
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Looking at the pictures, they look like someone was playing with either a striker conversion, or an enclosed hammer conversion.
The action castings look to be identical to the ones I have.

They look very much to my eye like a High Wall crossed with a Borchardt    (spelling?) action, but what do I know...
I am sure that the guys on the forum will have somewhat more to add.

There are a couple posts in the Forum Help forum that relate to picture posting.

The method that works best for me is to upload the pictures to a photo hosting site online (I use Photobucket) then copy the IMG code from there into the message that I am writing.
It's yet another thing to sign up for, as well as remember the passwords for, but has proven to be the most reliable, and uses the least of the forums resources. It has also proven to be a good place to store stuff tha I might wish to be able to access while I am visiting friends and may wish to show them.

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I have not tried the Forums uploading software for pictures.

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Reply #11 - Sep 4th, 2008 at 8:22pm
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Hows that?  One picture of each of the rifles for the perusal of the group, and I can get the rest up (which show overall views and some details) if they are of interest.

FWIW I have seen the plum colored bluing as being a result of several different things, attributed to the alloy elements in the steel, the temperatures being incorrect, or the salts being contaminated. Could be all three, or something else.

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Reply #12 - Sep 4th, 2008 at 8:37pm
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Thanks Trev- I can also send pictures to anyone's e-mail address, or take pictures of a particular area.  I suppose I need to take the action apart to see if it is a striker or internal hammer.  The unfinished rifle seems to have a action that is a little shorter at the front.  I would suppose they are strong enough for black powder cartridges.  Apparently someone made them up from the C H actions.
  
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Reply #13 - Sep 4th, 2008 at 8:40pm
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It's really common to see that color on cast steel and cast iron due to their chemistry, and certain steels due to their heat treatment properties, when hot caustic blued.  It's not a salts contamination problem, or even a temperature problem.  When I worked in a gun shop in the Peace Loving People's Socialist Democratic Republic of California, we would regularly find brand new Ruger rifles & revolvers that color when first unwrapped to put out for display.  Some of our women customers found it attractive!   Grin

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Reply #14 - Sep 4th, 2008 at 8:58pm
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Definitely take a bunch of pictures if you take one of the actions apart.

If either were mine, I doubt that they'd have even made it into the gun locker before I had to see how the insides looked. Cheesy

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