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Uncle_Ethan
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Reply #15 - Sep 4th, 2008 at 9:33pm
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Thanks guys- Trev, I just retired- I was working 80 hours a week and traveling while my wonderful wife held down the fort with the three kids.  I would have  sent you pictures of gun parts and asked for help in figuring out how to put them back together. Tongue  38_Cal- where did you work in Ca?  I moved from North SD county a year and a half ago.  There were a few good gunshops left in Orange County last I heard.
  
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Reply #16 - Sep 4th, 2008 at 10:47pm
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Siegle's Guns in Oakland...no longer there in great part due to the lovely voters and former Gov, and then Mayor, Jerry Brown, who got a measure passed taxing any business that sold handguns or handgun ammo at 3% of their gross sales of all items in the business.  Been gone from there 21 years, worked for Brownells until last October when they "downsized" me.

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Reply #17 - Sep 4th, 2008 at 11:11pm
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Well, I'm not surprised about Oakland- I buy from Brownells occasionally.  Hope you are well situated now.
  
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Reply #18 - Sep 6th, 2008 at 3:09pm
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uncle_ethan;
                   Your rifles looks very much like a regular Clerke rifle that has been fitted with a striker breeckblock, the pictures show the contour of the Clerke, even the original finger lever. I would be very suprised to find that they were internal hammers as opposed to strikers.
             The Clerke's had a very bright colorcase hardened receiver, this is the reason the receivers turned plum, when someone tried to blue the action before removing the old colors.    leadball
  
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Reply #19 - Sep 6th, 2008 at 5:22pm
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Thank you Leadball.  Any idea who did this type of work?  I will take pictures as I disassemble the inferior rifle to find out which it is.  I have an opd Highwall barrel that was re-rifles from 40 cal to 45-70 that I may put on it if the threaded end fits.  It will take a bunch of draw filing to make the barrel nice again.  Any idea what I should do to the action before I french grey it?
  
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Reply #20 - Sep 6th, 2008 at 7:53pm
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uncle_ethan
                  I don't know about the french gray finish, but there is a finish called "metalife" that can be applied on about any metal, it can be done in sort of a french gray. Someone here can give you their web address if your interested.   leadball
  
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Reply #21 - Sep 6th, 2008 at 8:27pm
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Uncle_Ethan, the company leadball is referring to is Mahovsky's MetaLife and they advertise in the SSR Journal last time I looked.  If you can't find them, drop me a PM and I'll dig out an address.  BTW, Dale53 used that process on a Hurst-engraved Ballard and it's gaw-juss!  I think he went with a matte finish (very fine bead blasting) before the coating so it wouldn't be too shiny.

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Reply #22 - Sep 6th, 2008 at 11:31pm
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Thanks to all for the help and information.  I had hoped for this kind of collaboration to gather more information.  The EX.1 rifle in 45-70 has a variable power weaver, and with the light weight of the barrel, it had to be designed for hunting, as I would think more than 3 shots would heat up the bbl pretty bad.  Anyone have any ideas or suggestions, please send them on.
  
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Reply #23 - Sep 7th, 2008 at 10:37pm
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How is French Gray done?
  
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Reply #24 - Sep 8th, 2008 at 11:42am
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I would have to try to find the chemical name for it, but the engraver that did the work on my son's No.1 tropical rifle let me help him.  Basically we totally degreased and polished the action after the engraving [and before, of course] and just treated the "in the white" action with the chemical.  As I remember, it wasn't a rare or expensive chemical used in the etching process of semi-conductors.
  
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"French Gray" finish
Reply #25 - Sep 8th, 2008 at 1:48pm
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French Gray finishing is more of a descriptive term for a result than a specific chemical process.  There's probably as many ways of doing it as there are gunsmiths doing it!

The way I do it is to first polish to a 400 to 500 grit finish, then abrasive blast using aluminum oxide blasting grit.  Degrease the steel parts thoroughly using Gun Scrubber, TCE, or a brake cleaner that leaves no residue.  Warm the parts using an electric heat gun to about 90 to 100 F, and spray on a clear epoxy based paint, like Brownells Acra Coat for Metal.  This gives a semi-gloss finish over a gray color.  If you use glass beads instead of aluminum oxide, it will be a silver color.   

I cure the paint in a heat box...an aluminum foil lined cardboard box of about 3 or 4 cubic feet, with a 75 watt light bulb in it, with the parts hung from a cross bar.  I use an electric cooking thermometer to keep track of the inside temperature, trying for about 140 to 160 F.  Three days or so in the box is like a week or two at 68 degrees room temperature.

After the paint has cured, it holds up very well to handling and even rubbing by a breech seater.  It probably took about 2500 rounds to visibly wear the side of my centerfire Martini 12/15 reciever finish using the breech seater I built for it.

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Reply #26 - Sep 8th, 2008 at 1:58pm
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Etching of semi-conductors or circuit boards?
I have used Ferric Chloride circuit board etch to etch and color (dark gray) some knives.. That might work on a rifle action if diluted some... "straight" was a pretty strong etch.

The finish comes out like a weak parkerizing... has held up pretty well though.


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Reply #27 - Sep 8th, 2008 at 2:12pm
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I can't find the name of the chemical we used- action came out about the same as my Prussian made drilling, and has held up very well.  I was surprised at how well it held up for as easy as it was to do.  A rather light grey, looks noce with the gold engraving.
  
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Reply #28 - Sep 19th, 2008 at 2:46pm
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I now believe the chemical used was Phosphoric acid.  After polishing and engraving the action was cleaned and degreased- then rinsed with distilled water- then the phosphoric acid [same stuff used in parkerizing] was applied at room temperature.  After several coats the action was rinsed again and then coated with either oil or a thin clear varnish to prevent rusting as the pores of the metal were exposed and needed sealing.  Try it on a piece of steel or old action that needs re-bluing [the chemical will remove bluing] and see if the color is right.  I am going to try to find some locally and try it.
  
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Reply #29 - Sep 19th, 2008 at 8:01pm
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naval jelly,wash in soda water


.is how i do it----sun lite will make it darker and it can be maintained with used  motor oil from engine.
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