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Spotting Scope choice ??
Aug 2nd, 2008 at 2:55pm
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Hi All

I am in the market for a new spotting scope I read in TSR that the best choice would be a 30X60 for 200 yards but the further I read on the web the more confused I get, not on the magnification but the huge price range with no indication of what I actually get for my pennies.

So I would appreciate some of your experience on the scopes you use and hopefully this can get me in the right direction to choose a good spotting scope without loosing a minor fortune.

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Reply #1 - Aug 2nd, 2008 at 3:09pm
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Hello,
Good scopes are not cheap.  However, if you are at all serious about shooting that is one area in which you don't want to scrimp!  I've had a chance to use most of the current crop of spotting scopes during practice and at matches on our range.  I'm really serious about it as I am about to replace my 30 year old Redfield 60mm scope.  The very best I've looked at and the one I'm buying is the Kowa 821m.  This is an angled eyepiece scope with the 20-60x zoom eyepiece.  Best price I've found is at Buffalo Arms where they are $1003.95 including scope body, eyepiece and cover.  You can buy more expensive scopes but for most of us the difference in what you can actually see is very small and not worth the money.  You can buy cheaper scopes but you won't be happy once you get to the range and have a chance to look through someone elses quality glass!
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Reply #2 - Aug 2nd, 2008 at 6:52pm
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ACGould is right about not skimping on spotting scopes... but MAN can they be spendy!

The Kowa line is pretty much the "gold standard" in the shooting sports for spotting.  You'll see little else at a Highpower match.

That being said...
Recently a local shooter got a Konus spotting scope (around $200, 80-ish mm objective, 20-60 zoom).  At a match, we did some informal side-by-side testing.  There were two Kowa's present (an 821 and an older TSN-1), a Swarovski, and the Konus.

The Konus compared very favorably to all present. Notice I didn't say "it was better than" all present... but for $200 it was surprisingly good!
It didn't give up much to the Kowa's, and it gave up NOTHING to the Swarovski (much to the consternation of the Swarovski owner...).

That was the second Konus I've looked through, and as I said, they may not be "fully the equal of" a more expensive spotting scope, but they are outstanding in their price range.   
I've been looking for a "backup" for my 20+ year old Mirador spotting scope, and I think I'll be buying a Konus by the end of the year.   
For the price of one Kowa, I could buy 5 Konus's, test them all,, pick the best one, and pay return shipping on the other 3 and STILL come out ahead.

If you have the money, a Kowa 821n would be a great investment... 
If you want some decent glass on your bench while you save up the other $900 for the Kowa, buy a Konus, then resell it for $150 after you buy your Kowa.

I've also been VERY impressed by some Nikon spotting scopes, but they've all been older models, and one shooter thought their newer ones were not nearly as good.  That's 100% heresay though, as I haven't checked them out recently.

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Reply #3 - Aug 2nd, 2008 at 10:31pm
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Save yourself some money. You can find the Kowa TSN821 on Ebay for under $650 (buy it now price) often.
Here's one:
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Reply #4 - Aug 3rd, 2008 at 12:19am
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Don't be mislead by the Eagle Optics listing on eBay. That's really not a bargan!!!  Take another look at the eBay ad. Price is for the scope body only.  The zoom eyepiece for this outfit is an additional $358 plus about $40.00 for a cover.  This makes it about $1043.00 for the same outfit that Buffalo Arms sells for  $1003.95!  Final note--it is good to support the dealers who support our sport!
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Reply #5 - Aug 3rd, 2008 at 12:33am
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  I bought a Konus from Jim Owen of high power fame who sells all models of Kowa used and new. He said he has tested the Konus against all the Kowas and the only place he can tell the difference is in the eye relieve advantage of the Kowa. He suggested I try the Konus first and later if I decided I just had to have the better eye relieve I could trade the Konus in on it but I probably wouldn't. Four of us have the Konus 80mm now in our club and several have the Kowas so time will tell how well they hold up against the better glass. MD
  
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Reply #6 - Aug 3rd, 2008 at 7:13am
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I have a high dollar scope but also have two little Bushells. One is a 20x50 mm that has a real good picture owned it for 30 plus years.

Last year got another Bushnell off ebay used for 40 bucks, 20x40 mm straight tube, they were sold for Pistol scopes years ago,  I keep it in my car on a window mount for Hawks, It does a good job too forgetting my regular scope one day used it to spot 32 cal holes at 200 with no problem,   

On the inexpensive scopes stay lower power, 50 mm 20xmax.  You need big objective to run 27 x  Also there seems to be differences scope to scope same model in the lower priced units, If you are buying new or can see the scope before you buy test it or have return privileges

Last avoid variable fixed power is always going to resolve better,

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Reply #7 - Aug 3rd, 2008 at 7:17am
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Read this it has good info:

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This is a very good scope:

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I had a 60mm Sky and Earth that I used from 50ft to 100yds and had no problems.  I could see 22 holes at 200 yds when a bud couldn't see his with his Kowa 821.  He was flabergasted.

In the last few years I decided on a 80mm objective and after doing lots of reading and checking thru some 80 mm I ordered  the larger Nikon, and it has better resolution than a 60mm, whatever go for at least an 80mm.

Straight or angled is fine. The only difference is the angled focus's on the angled mirror where the straight focus's right on the object you are looking at.
With a "reflex" you can get a spot of dirt on the mirror and it is a bit distracting.


With Optics Planet you will get your order fast, if in stock, and you can return it for any reason with in 30 days or what ever it is.
And free shipping to you.

And they have most every other spotting scope on the market.

You can buy in any price range you want.

Would I buy another Nikon...Sure would.


And there are NO problems with a variable power scope.

Don't worry about that at all.
  
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Reply #8 - Aug 3rd, 2008 at 8:49pm
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ACGould wrote on Aug 3rd, 2008 at 12:19am:
Don't be mislead by the Eagle Optics listing on eBay. That's really not a bargan!!!  Take another look at the eBay ad. Price is for the scope body only.  The zoom eyepiece for this outfit is an additional $358 plus about $40.00 for a cover.  This makes it about $1043.00 for the same outfit that Buffalo Arms sells for  $1003.95!  Final note--it is good to support the dealers who support our sport!
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Good catch! I missed that fact.
  
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Reply #9 - Aug 3rd, 2008 at 10:31pm
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The Burris Landmark is one of the best buys dollar for dollar that you will find. Two of my friends have them and they are very good. I have  a Nikon which costs about twice as much and cant see much difference. The burris sells for about $250 and the Nikon about 500
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Reply #10 - Aug 3rd, 2008 at 10:48pm
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I would like to comment on Eagle Optics. I bought my Nikon there. I brought a target with .22 cal holes and set it in a snowbank as far away as I could get, and they let me set up spotting scopes on a special stand that they have and compare one against the other. After about four hours I finally made my choice and have been very satisfied. Joe S
  
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Reply #11 - Aug 3rd, 2008 at 11:00pm
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Joe_S wrote on Aug 3rd, 2008 at 10:31pm:
The Burris Landmark is one of the best buys dollar for dollar that you will find. Two of my friends have them and they are very good. I have  a Nikon which costs about twice as much and cant see much difference. The burris sells for about $250 and the Nikon about 500
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Just lookin' around on line, and found Optics Planet has the 20-60x80 Burris at $182 with free UPS.  (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links);  

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Reply #12 - Aug 4th, 2008 at 6:42am
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Hi All

Thanks for all the inputs which I have gone through with great emphasis and there seem to be for and against for the scopes mentioned but to me no clear decision points.

We had a good talk at our shooting club yesterday and tried to compare the spotting scopes we had and they were all lousy except one which was bought some years ago from BA

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and this scope is the owner not satisfied with he can barely se the holes at 100M and also wanted to buy a new scope, does anyone know this scope an can give some comparre to the better scopes, this might give us a lead to where we should go.

What about the Alpen scopes are they any good?

Here in Copenhagen Denmark the scope cost about 3 times the price in the US so we are going to by some on a trip we are doing into the west to October.

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Reply #13 - Aug 4th, 2008 at 9:12am
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Did not know you were paying with Euros. Dollar is so weak you would be getting the scope for half what we pay.  I bought two pair of Swarovski Binocs In Australia under similar conditions about 10 years ago.  One pair I bought for myself is a Thousand bucks in the US today and I paid less than 400.

Get a Kowa 82 mm with the fixed 27x LER eyepiece, that's the dominant scope on American Target ranges.  It's the only real quality Asian scope.  If you want to spend more look at Swarovski or Leica but tell you the truith the difference is not possable for me to see. I think it's better to get the coated lens on the Kowa instead.

Best place to buy is one of the big mail order/Internet target shooting supply houses.  Few dollars more than the cheapest but very reliable and they know guns and shooting. Neil Johnsons Gunsmithing Inc or Champions Choice are the ones I have always delt with, couple of other good ones too.  Nice accessory is the waterproof eye cover as well as scope stands etc.   It's safe to buy from them and have it delivered to you in the US when you arrive.   

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Re: Spotting Scope choice ??
Reply #14 - Aug 4th, 2008 at 10:26am
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If you can find a Unertl 20 power scope you will be surprised at the quality. I compared scopes at camp perry with them all mounted next to each other on a board at Champions choice and for clarity and being able to see holes the Unertl was the best.
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