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Shooter_1
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Scoring Postal BenchRest Targets  ?
Jul 8th, 2008 at 4:37pm
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Hi Guys,
I have started shooting my targets for the 100 shot 22 RF Outdoor Benchrest for score event. In looking at the current rule book I see that the scoring is something I'm not familiar with, Section 1.10 page 6 says, 

"The exact center of the shot hole touching the scoring ring will receive the higher value".   

My dumb question for this week.
How does one determine if the  "exact center"  of the shot hole is touching a scoring ring, is there a special device, gauge, overlay, for this and if so does ASSRA sell them.

I've scored a lot of targets over the years, both out side type scoring, in side type scoring, and group scoring, always did this with a scoring overlay, plug gauge, or a caliper, but have never had to figure out where the  "exact center"  of a hole was in relation to a scoring ring. 
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Re: Scoring Postal BenchRest Targets  ?
Reply #1 - Jul 8th, 2008 at 5:01pm
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I'm looking forward to hearing the answer on this one! In my years of competitive shooting we always scored the shot of the edge of the highest ring it touched or broke the line of.
  
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Reply #2 - Jul 8th, 2008 at 6:18pm
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Years ago (about 1990)I made up an overlay to score the benchrest targets for our club.  Various size circles (.22 through .45) were mechanically drawn. with a dot in the exact center of the circle.  This was photocopied onto clear sheets.  In use, a clean target is laid onto the table, and the target to be scored is laid on top, and all scoring rings are lined up.  The scoring aid is then laid on top of the bullet hole in question, and centered on the hole.  (Think of looking through a peep sight at a bull - the circles are easy to center.)  Then observe where the dot in the center of the circle is in relation to the scoring ring.

I have passed out a few of these to schuetzenmeisters over the years, and even the ISSA people incorporated the idea into their overlays which originally just had a curved line in them.   

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Reply #3 - Jul 8th, 2008 at 7:02pm
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Jerry,
Thanks for the Info. Any idea why more conventional type scoring isn't used. 
Just wondering, how was it done before 1990 ?.

So the way this works is that the dot has to be exactly on the score ring, not just touching it, correct. 

 Now to the other part of my question, where can a member buy a set of these scoring overlays in all the different calibers, I don't see them advertised by ASSRA.
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Re: Scoring Postal BenchRest Targets  ?
Reply #4 - Jul 8th, 2008 at 9:36pm
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All the ISSA and ASSRA matches I have shot the .22 bench matches use the leaded edge not the center. The Center fire matches use the center and between the overlays and the punches hole you can get a pretty accurate in or out.
  
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Reply #5 - Jul 8th, 2008 at 10:25pm
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bnice, 
That may be so, I don't know how the ISSA scores there targets, but if clubs shooting the ASSRA matches are doing so by the rules then there should be no difference between rimfire and centerfire, if you have the latest ASSRA rule book check out Section 1.10 page 6. The way it's written I take it to mean all Bench Rest Matches for score are scored the same, no matter if it's rimfire or centerfire, from the exact center of the shot hole touching the scoring ring.
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Re: Scoring Postal BenchRest Targets  ?
Reply #6 - Jul 9th, 2008 at 7:02am
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Shooter, I would think the best way would be to plug the hole with a standard .22 rf plug as sold by the NRA (made by RIG, et al) and look for the magnified edge of the bullet image to see whether the ring pierces the center or further in.   

Of course with cf, the proper diameter bullet can be cut (milled) in half and the half bullet used as a plug.  I don't think that would be very practical for rf, however.

HTH ~ Froggie
  
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Reply #7 - Jul 9th, 2008 at 7:41am
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FWIW,
if you make plastic overlays on a copier or laser printer, it is quite likely that they will not be orthogonal.  The dang plastic gets warmed in the printing process and it stretches from top to bottom as it comes out of the printer.  What started as circles usually ends as ovals.   

This may not be true of all printers or copiers but at least some HP printers and Ricoh copiers will do this every time.

YMMV...
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Reply #8 - Jul 9th, 2008 at 6:15pm
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Brent

Don't know what kind of printer you are using, but the copies are still round on mine.  (Did a lot of testing for distortion plus the dot being in the center of the circle, and couldn't see any error.)

Green Frog

Best to stay away from plugs - good way to distort the hole in the target - seen this done both intentionally and unintentionally.  If used to determine whether the bullet hole CUTS the next scoring ring, they're fine, but that's not what we are doing in scoring ASSRA (and most ISSA) matches.  Again.  We're looking at the center of the bullet hole in relation to the edge of the scoring ring in benchrest.  In offhand, it's the LEADED edge of the bullet hole touching the scoring ring.  This latter is a visual thing - best observed if not sure by getting out the magnifing glass.  That's why the scoring rings are white - usually easy to see the leaded edge of the bullet hole. If you push a bullet through the hole, and the hole cuts the ring (as would a plug), that's not the leaded edge.

As bnice points out, the ISSA scores both bench and offhand targets in the .22 RF matches from the leaded edge.  By ASSRA rules, bench is bench, and is scored by the center of the hole.

Shooter_1 if you would like an overlay, contact me by e-mail.

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Reply #9 - Jul 16th, 2008 at 2:32pm
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Jerry ( slowshooter )

Did you receive the message I sent to you about the overlays ? 
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