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Jun 26th, 2008 at 1:16pm
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ALL, I am not sure just how many of you all have been paying close attention to the legal battle going on about gun ownership but i have. A whole bunch of folks overseas have also as they missed the boat on gun ownership.
Anyway the Supreme Court kicked in thier heels and told D. C. No, No. We can all own guns to defend ourself period. No question about it. So now the big question is just how may of the old laws and and rules on how we play the game out the window. I for one would love to see the big one, the 1968 Gun Control Act thrown out. I live in the confused state of California and I think at this time all of our states anto gun nuts may be purchasing planes tickets to go somewhere safe like Austrailia where the good folks are not allowed to own or posses guns but the crooks are. Hell the English/ Austaralian Police will protect there sad asses won't they?
Who knows, maybe in a year my state could be a right to pack state too.
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Reply #1 - Jun 26th, 2008 at 1:37pm
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Well done, a wise decision by the US Supreme Court. The struggle may have to go on at State level, but with the Supreme Courts deision behind you,it should be much easier than before.

How I wish we had a Supreme Court in the UK to remove some of the idiotic decisions made by some politicians. Our 1997 Handgun ban was supposed to eliminate firearm crime, guess what, it's up 400%.

I would suggest you lay in a supply of earplugs though, just to shut out the whinging and wailing from the liberals and the anti gun ownership people.

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Reply #2 - Jun 26th, 2008 at 1:52pm
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I would like to say one thing about the ruling. It should have been a unanimous ruling instead of 5 to 4.
  

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Reply #3 - Jun 26th, 2008 at 2:20pm
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I too was amazed that four of our supreme court justices, who are to be highly educated, can not read.
  
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Reply #4 - Jun 26th, 2008 at 2:21pm
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Here's the scary thing;

Our next president will have the opportunity (almost certainly) to nominate at least TWO justices to the Supreme Court.
At least ONE of those, perhaps both, will be Justices that were in the slim Majority of this decision.

Our NEXT challenge before the court will likely be before the two or more justices the next president nominates.


That puts quite a point on the question of which candidate is the "lesser evil", doesn't it....


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Reply #5 - Jun 26th, 2008 at 2:35pm
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I believe If McCain  is not the next. You will have 6 that can not read. Whitey
  
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Reply #6 - Jun 26th, 2008 at 10:37pm
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I just finished scanning through the entire decision. I cannot believe that one of the disenting Judges actualy said that he just cannot believe that the second ammendment was meant to allow people to a keep loaded handgun in their home. This guy scares the blazes out of me. He does not have a clue.

While it is true that any decision can be overturned by a later group of Supreme Court Judges, historicly they are reluctant to overturn previous decisions. 

There was a reference to the first ammendment being applied to radio, tv and the internet. This is a possible basis to overturn assault weapons bans.
  
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Reply #7 - Jun 30th, 2008 at 8:00pm
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Slumlord:
     Would you be so kind as to post the link to the Supreme Court decision.        thank you.        andyZ
  
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Reply #8 - Jun 30th, 2008 at 9:54pm
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I would love to if I knew how to. Sorry but my computer literacy is still a learning process. You could probably google it. My daughter emailed the article with the reference in it.
  
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Reply #9 - Jun 30th, 2008 at 10:03pm
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Andy, here is a link to the Heller decision.  Beware, the full text of the decision is 157 pages long!
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Reply #10 - Jul 2nd, 2008 at 8:10pm
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     Thanks Doug.       Maybe good reading then i can't sleep.    andy
  
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Reply #11 - Jul 2nd, 2008 at 11:22pm
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I believe If McCain  is not the next. You will have 6 that can not read. Whitey


Another opinion:

If McCain is elected you will not have to worry about gun laws. Why? You will not have the money to afford a gun.
  
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Reply #12 - Jul 3rd, 2008 at 9:19am
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Not having the money to afford a  gun is a lot better than not having the right to own one. One is a temporary condition, the other is permanent. Most of us have more guns than we need and guns are really not very expensive unless you are into serious target shooting or collecting.  The real battle is not over, and will continue with each election at the state and local level. The value of the Heller decision is that it protects against outright gun bans and extreame regulations such as keeping the gun dissassembled in your home. The decision leaves a lot of room for "reasonable regulation" which could entail registration, waiting periods, background checks, storage requirements, training, etc, etc, etc.  The dissenters do not base their decision on legal precedent, if they did, it would have been a unanimious decision. They based their dissent on their own political views, which emphasizes the point that our struggle is still a political one in which every election is important. We nened pro-second amendment people in congress and at the state and local levels, as well as the White House. A pro-gun congress, even with an anti-gun zealot like Obama, might be able to block a liberal judge appointment which could meaning preserving our slender majority on the Supreme court. Our opponents will not give up, and we cant either.Joe S
  
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Reply #13 - Jul 3rd, 2008 at 12:04pm
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Barack Obama says he thinks the Supreme Court made the right decision, going so far as to characterize it as an endorsement of views he holds:

"I have always believed that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to bear arms, but I also identify with the need for crime-ravaged communities to save their children from the violence that plagues our streets through common-sense, effective safety measures. The Supreme Court has now endorsed that view, and while it ruled that the D.C. gun ban went too far, Justice Scalia himself acknowledged that this right is not absolute and subject to reasonable regulations enacted by local communities to keep their streets safe. Today's ruling, the first clear statement on this issue in 127 years, will provide much-needed guidance to local jurisdictions across the country.


As President, I will uphold the constitutional rights of law-abiding gun-owners, hunters, and sportsmen. I know that what works in Chicago may not work in Cheyenne. We can work together to enact common-sense laws, like closing the gun show loophole and improving our background check system, so that guns do not fall into the hands of terrorists or criminals. Today's decision reinforces that if we act responsibly, we can both protect the constitutional right to bear arms and keep our communities and our children safe."

  
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Reply #14 - Jul 3rd, 2008 at 12:31pm
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Translation:  "I will protect the right to keep and bear arms for the police, armed security guards, and the Government at all levels, because everyone else is a potential criminal or terrorist, and hunters and sportsmen should have no problem with England like laws, up to and including a full 6-month background check, cooling off periiod, and body cavity search for purchasing a firearm... after all, it's for the CHILDREN".

I think you've made it clear who you're voting for.
It's your right, but it's a mistake.

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As President, I will uphold the constitutional rights of law-abiding gun-owners, hunters, and sportsmen. I know that what works in Chicago may not work in Cheyenne. We can work together to enact common-sense laws, like closing the gun show loophole and improving our background check system, so that guns do not fall into the hands of terrorists or criminals. Today's decision reinforces that if we act responsibly, we can both protect the constitutional right to bear arms and keep our communities and our children safe."



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Reply #15 - Jul 3rd, 2008 at 12:31pm
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The man talks out of both sides of his mouth.  If McCain wins the presidency, hold on to your wallet.  If Obama wins, wave goodbye to your money AND your freedoms.  A man is known by the company he keeps...'nuff said.

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Reply #16 - Jul 3rd, 2008 at 1:05pm
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I can't adequately express my contempt for the candidates of both major parties.

But it's our fault, yes it's OUR fault, for putting up with their lies and other shenanigans.

I'm a single-issue voter and that issue is gun control.
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Reply #17 - Jul 3rd, 2008 at 11:10pm
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Collectively it is our fault because we tolertate it and dont demand better. Obama has supported every gun control measure he ever had a chance to vote for and McCain's talk about gun show loopholes indicates he either doesnt understand the subject matter or cant really be trusted. Based on McCain's record, I think he is the lesser of two evils, and I will vote for him, but I will hold my nose the whole time. Joe S
  
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Reply #18 - Jul 4th, 2008 at 12:07am
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Obamba talks about safety but what he realy wants is control. The Supreme Court decision specficaly states that having to keep a gun disassembled or locked in your home is NOT reasonable. This means every state and city that requires locks and also the state of California's gun storage requriments are now in violation of the Supreme Court decision. Lets see who has the guts to cram there illegal laws down their throats!
We have to support McCain even if he is only the lesser of two evils.

If Obamba is ellected you can bet he is going to try his best to dance arround the Supreme Court and back door methods to CONTROL us under the guise of SAFETY.
  
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Reply #19 - Jul 4th, 2008 at 1:16am
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Did you guys buy any hand guns or rifles during the Clinton administration?  I sure did. In fact, a boat load.  Could you guys go hunting under the Clinton administration? I sure did.  I had a freezer full of game.  Could you guys target shoot under the Clinton administration?  I sure did.  In fact, I have the trophies to prove it.  The 2nd amendment is in tact.  It still would be if Obama wins.  We have a constitution that will be intact no matter what.  NO FEAR! This is not Germany.  What are you worried about?  In other areas our country is going down the drain.  We need a change.  The last 7 years have been a total downer for our family.  By the way, my son Ben has served 2 tours in Iraq (USMC).  My son Zach has been in the counter terrortist unit of the Coast Guard.  My daughter Rachel is in the United States Air Force.  This family knows first hand what it means to be patriots. We love our guns and our freedom.  The present administration has done everything it could to take away our freedom.  Please wake up!    
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Reply #20 - Jul 4th, 2008 at 5:43am
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Blues man, had Clinton had his way you would not have had all those guns. The other side managed to get the sunset on what crap he got through. Also do you want a majority on the supreme court that decented on the Heller decision. The ones that voted this way were Obama types that he would, if elected, put more in. Also the little girl that was raped and killed in Vermont, her attackers would not get the death penalty for the rape because of this same group on the hi court. There is more at stake here than the supposed change. The only change his record shows is far left and more of it. Tax payers voting for him will be like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders.
  

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Reply #21 - Jul 4th, 2008 at 6:43am
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Hello bluesman!

I am wide awake! Just becaue you are making a poor decision as to who to vote for doesnt mean anyone is questioning your motives or patriotism! I respect you and your right to dissagree with me(us). As far as the Clinton administration is concerned, the man and his wife are two amoral scoundrels who will do or say anything to get elected and who have never once actually acted to protect the Second Amenement. They manage to give lip service to deer hunters and vote in favor of every and any gun control measure they can. If I remember correctly, under the Clinton Administration , the importation of guns and ammo from China was restricted raising the price of 7.62 X 39 ammo from about 7 cents a round to about 20 cents per round., all while his Chinese campaign contributor got caught trying to smuggle full auto AK 47s into the country.If I remember correctly, the cost of primers was $30 per thousand IF YOU COULD FIND ANY! It was under the Clinton Administration that anyone who ever got convicted of a MISDEMEANOR disorderly conduct involving an allegation or accusation of domestic abuse, even if the abuse(which could include a shouting match) was NEVER PROVEN IN COURT have permanently lost their right to own a gun.. I can give you the names of LOTS of people who went to court and plead NO Contest to a misdemeanor disorderly conduct thinking that it was only a misdemeanor and would not affect their gun rights would be affected only to find out when they went to buy a gun that they were  permanently blocked for life  when the background check was run. This little souvenir of the Clinton Administration is still with us. 
I was 100% against the invasion of Iraq because I did not believe our national security was at rist, when John Kerry and all the other two faced jackasses voted for it. Now that we collectively have to pay the price for that decision many are crying uncle and are perfectly willing to publicly tell our enemies that we are quitting. Now that we are there I say we finish the job and when I decide its time to get out I would  NOT  stoop so low as to make a campaign issue out of it and tell our enemies to just hang on for 16 mo and we will leave. Obama has just yesterday announced that he wont pull the troops out without consulting with the experts, so he has already changed his position on that point. He is another one who will promise anything to get elected.
Please note I am NOT defending the Republican Party because they have bungled an opportunity to do some good and have done almost nothing with that opportunity except appoint Justice Roberts, which in and of itself made the difference between keeping and losing our gun rights. Why cant Obama be honest with the people and say that he opposes the private possession of all semi- automatics, including skeet and trap guns and target rifles? Why wont Obama publicy say that he opposes the private possession of handguns? If he lies to us on these issues what can we expect on the subjects of energy, environment, national security, health care, etc, etc, etc?  I would love to continue but its time to cast some bullets while I am still alowed to own lead and shoot it. Joe S
  
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Reply #22 - Jul 4th, 2008 at 10:53pm
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You are correct. We all need to keep active and involved no matter what. The State of Illinois requires a background check and a waiting period on all individual to individual sales at gun shows. I continue to go through these hoops just to prove that I will not be stopped. A lot of people complain and refuse to do person to person sales at gunshows. This is what the antigun people want us to do. The answer is to beat them at their own game.
  
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