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Eric Johnson .22
Jun 22nd, 2008 at 10:18pm
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I am looking for some information on this rifle and was hoping someone might be able to help.  The rifle barrel has Eric Johnson stamped on it but other than the caliber no other numbers.  I thought originally that Mr. Johnson had made the rifle but was told on another forum that he probably just made the barrel?  Rifle is a  .22 caliber with a JW Fecker scope.  The scope is give or take 26 inches long and has a 0-12 range?  I would guess that is magnification.   Any idea of value of the rifle and scope?  My neighbor owns the rifle, was built for his father.  The neighbor is interested in selling the rifle but as you can guess it is difficult to do that if you do not know the value of an item.  He is anti computer so trying to help him out with the research.   Again thanks for the help in advance.  The only marking on the barrel is "Eric Johnson" and 22LR only......the words are stamped under the scope so was hard to get a picture of it.  I was told there might be more information under the forestock?  It seems a bit complicated to remove Smiley





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Reply #1 - Jun 23rd, 2008 at 12:25am
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I don't know anything about the provenance of Eric Johnson's works (but I've heard the name, of course)...

What I can say is that is one SWEET looking Remington Model 37 smallbore target rifle!

A "Garden Variety" Rem 37 is considered a very fine (for the time) smallbore target rifle.  They have a crisp and smooth action (mine is every bit as tight, smooth, and crisp feeling as my Anschutz).  Their triggers by todays standards are not great, but many got third party triggers.  "Wright" and "Kenyon" are two.  Those are very nice triggers. Since this one has been rebuilt by Johnson, and apparently used in serious competition, there is every liklihood that it's had it's trigger worked over.

An "ordinary" Rem 37 goes for between $700 and $1200 depending on condition, and originality. 
Some collectors (the idiots, IMHO) would balk at such a rifle no longer being "original".
However, guys like me (only with more money), would love that it's a top-flight smallbore target rifle from the 1930's or 40's, with the top technology of the time, built by a top-name in smallbore barrels.

All that being said, I don't have  a clue what the market value of it would be...
If I had the money, and I saw that for sale locally with a price tag of $1800, I wouldn't even hesitate. It would come home with me and I'd sell my "lesser" Rem 37.  And I would be damn pleased too.

If it's being offered to you for sale; buy it. It's a wonderful piece of Smallbore Prone history.   

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Reply #2 - Jun 23rd, 2008 at 7:38am
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Paul,

Thank you for the information.  My neighbor inherited quite a few guns from his father many years ago and is now trying to sell a few of them.  I am not looking to buy it but simply trying to help him research it so he knows what price to put on it.  Other than the for sale board on this forum would you have any suggestions as to where would be best to place the rifle for sale?

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Re: Eric Johnson .22
Reply #3 - Jun 23rd, 2008 at 8:48pm
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If he has quite a few one of the auction houses like Rock Island Auction would be a good way to sell them. They get a huge following so bring top dollar, ussually far more then any local shop or forums like this. They all get a % for selling, but with the large audience they deal with it they can be far more profitable.
  
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Re: Eric Johnson .22
Reply #4 - Jun 23rd, 2008 at 10:46pm
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AKLUEHi ,

That's a very nice " Rem Model 37 .22 Cal Rifle w/ Scope " . 
I have one already, but it's not as nice.  

Please have your friend " PM " me  & I'll offer a good faith  " Fair price " without the hassel's of the " BIDDING WAR " nonsense !!

Although "$1800.00 " is a bit on the " VERY HIGH END " in my book !! 
" IF ",  he can sell it for that amount .. " GOOD FOR HIM "

No offense to anyone .. but, I've bought several scopes & everyone of them was listed as " 90 % + ,  Excellent, Clear Optics , etc !! 

I send them off to " PARSON's' " to clean & find out they " ALLLL NEEEDED EXTRA WORK " , which adds to my final cost $$$ . I have the Receipts to prove my point !!

So, it's nearly impossible to put a "HIGH DOLLAR NUMBER " on anything without " INSPECTING IT " in person. 

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Reply #5 - Jun 23rd, 2008 at 11:45pm
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If it was a "plain" Rem 37, I'd agree...
But with a Johnson barrel, and with a Fecker scope that would bring, by itself, probably $600, I don't think $1800 is out of line.
I paid $800 for my 37, with no scope, and with a boogered up stock someone felt the need to wood-screw a cheeckpiece whittled from a block of wood with a dull pocket knife to it.
A local guy just paid $1100 for a 37, in "average" condition, and very plain.


I would agree that an auction house would probably bring the best price... but they'd charge a hefty percentage.   
Unfortunately, the best spot on the web to sell a smallbore target rifle closed up shop a few months ago...
I don't know of any other venue to target (no pun intended) smallbore shooters with an interest in classic rifles like that.

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Re: Eric Johnson .22
Reply #6 - Jun 24th, 2008 at 12:46am
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Hi all ,

I was editing my last post as " Mr. Pau_F " was writing .. ! 

Okay , now !!

" But with a Johnson barrel, and with a Fecker scope that would bring, by itself, probably $600 "

As some of you already know .. I posted a few photos of my " BSA 12/15 Eric Johnson Barrel Rifle .. 

a) I have yet to unequivicaly prove that its in " FACT " an Eric Jonson Barrel, etc. 
b) As stated before .. Whats the " Factual " condition of the scope ?? Will it require minor " Cleaning " or a complete overhaul ?? 
c) Barrel condition : Clean bore or , no Rifling left , Pitted , Rusted out ?? 

I won't disagree with the price on any  " MINT CONDITION , STILL IN BOX , NEVER FIRED " , " HIGH DOLLAR " item $$$$, thats been inspected by someone " I "  respect or trust  ??? 

However , there will always be a price variable to consider !!

What the collectors are willing to pay ??
" vs "
What a shooter is willing to offer ! 

I've placed " Good Faith Bids " on many items in the past . 
Unfortunately , the " COLLECTOR & SPECULATORS " have always outbid me !! 

Just my two cents !

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Reply #7 - Jun 24th, 2008 at 7:29am
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bnice wrote on Jun 23rd, 2008 at 8:48pm:
If he has quite a few one of the auction houses like Rock Island Auction would be a good way to sell them. They get a huge following so bring top dollar, ussually far more then any local shop or forums like this. They all get a % for selling, but with the large audience they deal with it they can be far more profitable.


Far as I know he only has two he wants to sell....the one in this post and a 1895 Lee-Enfield .22 trainer.   So The auction house may not be best for him.
  
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Reply #8 - Jun 24th, 2008 at 7:38am
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Louie.M wrote on Jun 24th, 2008 at 12:46am:
Hi all ,

I was editing my last post as " Mr. Pau_F " was writing .. ! 

Okay , now !!

" But with a Johnson barrel, and with a Fecker scope that would bring, by itself, probably $600 "

As some of you already know .. I posted a few photos of my " BSA 12/15 Eric Johnson Barrel Rifle .. 

a) I have yet to unequivicaly prove that its in " FACT " an Eric Jonson Barrel, etc. 
b) As stated before .. Whats the " Factual " condition of the scope ?? Will it require minor " Cleaning " or a complete overhaul ?? 
c) Barrel condition : Clean bore or , no Rifling left , Pitted , Rusted out ?? 

I won't disagree with the price on any  " MINT CONDITION , STILL IN BOX , NEVER FIRED " , " HIGH DOLLAR " item $$$$, thats been inspected by someone " I "  respect or trust  ??? 

However , there will always be a price variable to consider !!

What the collectors are willing to pay ??
" vs "
What a shooter is willing to offer ! 

I've placed " Good Faith Bids " on many items in the past . 
Unfortunately , the " COLLECTOR & SPECULATORS " have always outbid me !! 

Just my two cents !

L.M.



I do understand your point.

I never actually looked through the scope but when I print these posts and take them to the neighbor I will.   

Far as proving it is a Eric Johnson barrel that should be easy as his father had it built so the last names should match Mr. Johnsons shop records.

I will send you a PM
  
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Reply #9 - Jul 25th, 2008 at 4:32pm
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I don't see the big auction houses selling a modified for competition rifle for high dollar. Most of there clientele are collectors and look for condition rarity etc not working guns. They love cardboard boxes and hang tags, go figure.  They may not even list the gun some are petty picky.

I would look to Neil Johnson's Gunsmithing Inc in Colorado who sells a lot of rimfire target rifles.  Highest price in my opinion would be selling the scope separately. Rifle would probably bring about what a mid 50's Anschutz would, If it has all the accessories, buttplate hand stop palm rest etc. I did not see the Iron sights, that's a negative.  Selling price for the rifle ?  Somewhat less than a Winchester 52 in the same conditonn and way less than if unaltered. The barrel is probably better than factory for shooting but not selling.

I have a working Anschutz 54 and would think it's worth 800 bucks, If I sold it on consignment through my usual consignment dealer he would take 20 %  The 12 x Flecker will sell for less than a Unertil, Clarlos Hathcock did not use a Flecker which holds back the price to collectors.  Unertil 12 x ? 400 -500 depending on conditon and you don't need a dealer. The Flecker to a shooter somewhat less. say 400 bucks would bring a quick sale.

Add it all up about 1200 max, mimimum 1000, more if you can sell direct or lucky.

For what it is worth I had a Eric Johnson Ballard smallbore prone rifle I traded into that was for sale several years before another Schuetzen shooter bought it off me for what I had in the gun.  I sold the B&L Balvar scope separate for more than the rifle.  

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Re: Eric Johnson .22
Reply #10 - Jul 25th, 2008 at 7:29pm
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I have to disagree on the auction house not selling it for big bucks. I see 52's, 40x's anshutz and 37's go for way more then most of us would consider. Yes most charge 15-20% but they also deal with a market that is national and some international. Kind of like ebay. I'm not trying to talk anyone into it just stating first hand experience.
  
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Reply #11 - Jul 25th, 2008 at 7:55pm
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A quick look at Gunbroker will give you an idea of what the model 37 Rem. are going for. IMHO $1800 for this one is extremely high estimate. There's a match grade custom that sold at GB recently that only got one bid and sold for $1450. It didn't have a scope, bt some fairly valuable irons. I love Feckers, but never got over $450 for any Fecker I ever sold.

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Reply #12 - Jul 26th, 2008 at 12:50am
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I may be interested in the Enfield .22 training rifle. Send PM
  
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Reply #13 - Jul 27th, 2008 at 8:47am
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Brince agree the auction houses get big bucks and have a wide footprint, but that rifle like most Johnsons has beend hacked up with a pretty ugly stock. In my opinion It's not a collector 37.  A pristine Remington 37 will get high dollar thats for sure.  Not to run the rifle down, seperated from the scope a fair amount of case could be raised selling.

I had a acution house refuse a Perfect Trapdoor carbine unaltered except the stock had been scraped.  It was high numbered and no doubt scraped by the arsenal when they cleaned out trapdoor parts after the Kraig came into servce. They made them up into carbines and cadet rifles mostly.

The house said if it was a well worn 1873 they could sell it high but did not want excess inventory of something thats not hot on the market.

Anyway good luck on the sale.   

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Re: Eric Johnson .22
Reply #14 - Jul 27th, 2008 at 9:21pm
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Boats, try a . differnt auction house (RI Auction would have taken it). The stock looks like a Freeland, I have one just like it and have seen many other like it. Looks like a Freeland tuner? The barrel looks like it was left in the white which sure isn't going to help .
  
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Reply #15 - Jul 28th, 2008 at 8:39am
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Brince

Agree sombody else may have taken my TD Carbine, They sell for a lot more in the West than on the East Coast.  My experence is everything I want bad is high and most things I sell are the other way.  Have sold guns for high dollar two or three times in over 40 years rest of the time am lucky to cover my expense.

On the Johnson everything we have said about the rifle is opinion, in the end the market will determine what that rifle is worth. Hope he gets high dollar.

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Reply #16 - Jul 28th, 2008 at 8:49am
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There have actually been a few 37's that have passed thru the classifieds over @ benchrest central. A minty origional one would bring maybe $1200. Unless you are a fanatical Johnson fan that piece without scope is probably in the range og $600, so you're looking at $1200-$1300 IMHO. Fact of the matter is they're around on a semi regular basis and most folks want a factory correct piece. If somebody stuck $1500 in my face I'd grab it and run like the wind.
  

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