Will ramble some on offhand if you like.

ASSRA we shoot at a 3/4 MOA center worth 25 points.  A very good score would be 100 shots with total score offhand of 2100 or above.  2000 seems to separate the serious offhand shooters from casual.  It scales down for 10 shot matches, although it's quite a bit easier to shoot over 210 for 10 than 2100 for 100.  Long runs have more chances for error.

In rough terms the 20 ring is about 9 inches at 200 yards or slightly over 4 moa.  Since the shots fall in a "shotgun" pattern keeping all shots within the 20 will result in a higher score, some are going to hit the 21 22 23 and so on.  Given that holding 4 moa for long runs is excellent .  If you can hold the 18 ring which is about 12 inches or 6 moa that's very good performance.

One thing that most people don't consider, even if a shooter can only hold his shots within 6 moa your eye can see much more precise than 6 moa.  I always say you can call shots to 1 moa.  To put it another way your eye can see a 7 0/clock 18 shot very precisely. It's not in the center were you wanted it to go but the hole will be exactly were you called the strike. If your rifle is up to the job that is.

On Irons.  The rule of thumb is Irons, good ones Aperture front and rear with the proper size disk can resolve to 1 moa.  Scopes resolve by there power, that is 10x resolves to 1/10 inch 20 to 1/20 inch.  In practical terms iron sight scores are just a bit lower than scope, perhaps 2-3 %  Looking at each Iron sight strike with a spotting scope and confirming the call vs strike makes it more precise than you would imagine. Before long the advantage scopes have over irons is reduced.  Without the spotter scope you can't do as well.

Will finish with a plug for offhand. It's no harder than hitting a golf ball or casting a fly rod. You do have to learn the fundamentals and work at establishing your position, routine, trigger break etc.

Boats

Video games don't require much pratice or hard work either.

Boats

Is 4-6 Moa also accurate for the .22 offhand matches?

Brad

Guns the outdoor 100 yard rim fire offhand Schuetzen matches scale about exactly compared to outdoor 200 yard center fire.  Center fire there is more chance of equipment problems while rim fire mechanically is nearly foolproof.  Conditions, wind mostly, affect a rim fire bullet at 100 about the same as a center fire at 200. All this general not exact.

Gallery is another matter. 50 foot indoors scores are higher than outdoor matches, no conditions, and the firing line is condusve to precision work, level floor constant lighting conditions etc.  Gallery gives you the chance to refine your position with nothing else to cause off shots. Guns are pin point accurate at 50 foot too.

On the 4 to 6 MOA standard.  Most good offhand shot in American today is Silouette.  The ram 100 meter rimfire and 500 meters centerfire is probably the hardest target.  It's about 4moa high by 5moa long.  Horns excluded.  You see some people shoot 10 in a row but not many.   77 Meter and 385 meter Turkey,(from memory only) is about 3 moa wide by 4 moa high, so a consistent 4 moa holder will do well on both targets.  6 moa guy will shoot AA class or middle of the pack in a large match.

One thing I did not mention is Harry Popes good advice on offhand shooting.  It goes something like this. Good match does not need perfect targets, it does require the absence of bad ones.  Somebody may be able to quote it exactly.  In fact Harry's advice on offhand shooting is the most concise accurate information I have ever seen in print. 

What that means is someone that can shoot 100 shots in 6 moa will score higher in a match than someone who holds 4 moa most of the time but has off shots.  It's the off shots that kill scores and it does not take many.  You don't see this in Silhouette were even a AAA shooter will miss 1/4 of his shots.  Miss is as good as a mile while in Schuetzen every shot counts and you can't afford to miss any.

Boats

gunsbrad,

This article is old and worn, but if you haven't already read it;

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Bob

Guys thanks for all the help this puts things in perspective.  There is a lot of info here to mull over.  I have alot ofreferences to what some of the great older shooters have done,but really had no context until now.

Mr. Frog 
The firstshirt and I have talked about coming to your match at some point as it is within driving distance, but as there is a sillywett match that same weekend it appears that I am already comitted.  Thanks for the invite, and I hope to meet you there at somepoint.

Brad

When I had to fight off some printers who were selling cheap knock off copies of the ASSRA targets I had to do a lot of research on where the targets came from. The gallery target was taken from targets used at 75 feet and is the correct for that distance. However most gallerys are now 50 feet so that is what they are marked. I could find no information as to why they weren't reduced.

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